In March I put up a post offering internships to come work with me for six months in Colombia. In April I had chosen three smart and enthusiastic young men from three continents for the job. In May they arrived and in June I sat on the phone with my father — a successful entrepreneur and employer of more than 30 workers — who told me that it was incredibly unlikely that I’d end up hiring more than one of them when all was said and done.

Until this year, the most I had ever managed was my mother’s cat. I have managed to avoid conventional employment my entire life and with it the necessary hierarchy of headaches that is known as management.

But this summer that changed. The listing was posted as an internship for them and as a learning and growth experience for them, but I had a lot to learn as well — about managing people, about crafting strategy and developing accountability, about what my business needed and didn’t need.

1. Let’s start with the facts: three interns were flown into Medellin for six months, one left last week with a job offer. Site traffic doubled. Total revenue almost doubled. Approximately 63 liters of Aguardiente was consumed. Good times were had by all.

2. The details get more complicated. Both interns who didn’t get offers had areas in which they could have performed better, but their full-time employment also had the paradoxical effect of revealing that the work they were doing wasn’t as necessary for the business as I originally anticipated.

It was kind of liking hiring someone to build and landscape this beautiful backyard for you only to find out that few people in your house actually wanted to go outside.

Even though overall the guys did an awesome job and were very capable, it became clear some months into it that the needs of the business were different than I anticipated.

So in a weird way, the internships were just as valuable in showing me what the business didn’t need as they were in the actual work they produced. An expensive lesson to learn, but valuable nonetheless.

3. I learned that managing kind of sucks and that I’m not that good at it.

(This is nothing against the three guys. They’re smart guys and genuinely cared about doing a good job.)

I’m incredibly self-sufficient and work best when left unconstrained and unsupervised. What I discovered is that 1) most people aren’t like that, and 2) I had a hard time relating to them when they weren’t. When I was building this business, it was not unusual for me to work 16 hour days and teach myself new skills just to try some new crazy idea and see if it worked. So when these guys came to me with problems, a lot of times my knee-jerk reaction was, “Can’t you figure it out on your own? Isn’t that what I hired you for?”

The result was that my feedback and accountability as a manager was sub-par, and their autonomy and self-sufficiency never quite reached my expectations. I originally hired these guys because I wanted to delegate most of my business and have time to focus on writing — the thing that I do best and the thing that affects the bottom line the most.

But while I delegated out a lot of the tasks and responsibilities that held me up previously, I now spent that extra time supervising, checking over people’s work, and discussing strategy and ideas. Instead of spending 50% of my time hopping from task to task, I was now spending 50% of my time managing three people who were hopping from task to task.

So in a way, I was a bit relieved when it turned out their work wasn’t as crucial as I had expected. This has taught me to refocus on what I enjoy and what has the most impact. It’s made me re-evaluate why I’m doing this in the first place: because I’m passionate about sharing my ideas and affecting people in a positive way. The money, the credibility, the products, the marketing and guru stuff, that’s all a side-effect and not the primary purpose or even necessarily desired.

The writing is the purpose. That’s why I’m still here after five years. And that’s why hundreds of thousands of people come to this site.

The view at Guatapé, Colombia.

4. The social aspect of the experience turned out to be fun and rewarding as well. Obviously, the three guys were thrilled to be breaching a new culture and push their own comfort zones. But I’ve spent most of the last three years living and traveling alone. Having three friends and roommates to share cultural experiences, social connections, and just the daily riff-raff with, turned out to be really enjoyable for me.

5. The confluence of emotionally stressful situations made the first couple months difficult for everyone. Two of us had never lived with other people in years. I had never managed before. These guys had a new job and were learning new skills. There was the culture shock, being in a new country and not knowing anybody. And then the pressure of performing to a certain level within six months or else.

All things considered, I think we all came out stronger and better people in the end. My tendency has always been to throw myself into situations that are perhaps a little bit TOO extreme and this was no exception. In hindsight, there were a lot of ways where I could have eased the transition and made things a little less stressful for everyone. But on the other hand, it forced a lot of growth and introspection on everyone, so it was still a great experience.

6. The guys really came together for the launch of Escape Plan in the last two months. Even though it was clear by then that we weren’t going to hit our goals and things weren’t going to turn out how everyone had hoped, everyone stepped up and did a great job on the marketing and launch.

7. So what about the next internship? After all, I received 67 applications for the first internship, and I’ve already received around 10 emails from people inquiring about the possibility of there being another round of internships next year.

I’m sad to say that I have no plans for more internships at the moment. The business has a lot of room to grow with my employee and I and thanks to these past six weeks, I have a clear vision on what I need to do over the next year or two.

With that said, I am open to the possibility of joint ventures and collaborating with people, assuming it’s win/win and it’s a worthwhile time investment for me. I’ll be writing a post in the next week or two detailing how to go about working with me if you have an idea or proposal.

8. As most regular readers know, the central theme — perhaps even the defining theme — of this website is the idea of taking action towards your dreams and desires. Whether it’s in your dating life or your relationships or defining your life purpose, the idea is to have your vision for yourself and then take bold and calculated steps to make it a reality.

With this blog I’ve tried to practice what I teach, to not just write about taking bold actions but to take bold actions myself — like this internship, like giving away a trip somewhere in the world this fall (an intern’s idea, by the way). In each case, I’m putting my own money out there, sending the message: “The action of doing something cool and life changing is what’s important, so what are you doing?”

Despite the fact that the internship did not proceed as planned and did not accomplish the tangible goals it set out to accomplish, the intangible benefits and lessons we gained from it will stick with us and our success for a lifetime. That’s ultimately what matters most.

So I’d like to thank the guys, for having the courage to go out on a limb with me and try something mildly insane. And of course, for all of you following a long who dare to give a crap about such things. Thank you. And who knows what the future will bring.

PS: If anyone has questions for the interns themselves, you can ask them in the comments section. I’m sure the guys wouldn’t mind answering them and talking about their experiences.

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41 Responses to The Medellin Internships

  1. Justin says:

    Was a pleasure meeting and hanging out with you guys over there in medellin. It look liked quite an experience living there and working there. Although the guys didn’t get jobs, I’m sure they took this experience as a once in a lifetime opportunity!

    • Zac says:

      I certainly had a really good time (especially meeting you) and I learned a lot. Thanks for the experience Mark I hope it was as worthwhile for you as it was for us.

  2. Shaun says:

    63 Litres?! Impressive guys!

    I have to say that Post Masculine has inspired me to take the first steps towards becoming self sufficient from a career perspective. I have never really enjoyed the jobs I have done and always dreamt of being able to live wherever I choose whenever I want. This resource has opened my eyes to the possibility of being able to work for myself, and whilst early days I have well defined goals to get there. This inspiration means much more to me than simply being successful with women (and that was the reason I found myself here!). So thanks to all you guys for that!

    So what are the next steps for you interns?

    • Tim says:

      As I said to Mark before I left, even though this didn’t work out for me I’m so glad I did it, because I would have regretted not knowing what it could have been like, whereas I have almost no regret about the way things turned out.

      I’m still on the way back to my home city, and making plans along the way. The internship showed me that I don’t really want to work in marketing anymore, and continuing with it is holding me back from doing something I really love. What exactly that is, I’m not sure. I’m working hard to figure that out now though, and I’ll probably be looking for advice on the forums before long.

      On the other hand, I really, really enjoyed working for a company like Postmasculine. Working with very capable people, who earnestly want their work to be valuable and for the company to succeed, and who I enjoy spending time with outside of work and consider good friends, was amazing. Like Mark I’ve always resisted conventional employment and having a boss, and this was the first job I’ve had where I felt I got exactly what I wanted instead, which was flexible hours, a large amount of autonomy with my work, a challenge to constantly improve, and, most importantly, to be working towards something that I truly believed in and wanted to succeed. The last one is so important that it’s worth sacrificing all the rest to get just it, but I’m hoping that with luck and hard work I’ll be able to find something that, like Postmasculine, gives me all these things.

  3. Daniel says:

    Sounds like an awesome adventure for the guys who went out there and I’m sure the work of all involved helped grow this site a lot.

    I can’t wait to see where you take things with this site!

  4. Dave says:

    I’m curious about your goals and what you ended up achieving after the 6 months. Doubling revenue and site traffic both seem pretty good. What were your actual goals and do you think you could have achieved the same results if you hadn’t hired the three interns. Thanks!

    • Mark Manson says:

      The goals were quadruple site traffic, triple total revenue, get me some sort of mainstream exposure.

      I definitely would not have gotten these results if not for them. They are absolutely responsible for a large part of the growth. The question is more how much of the growth is due to them and how much would have happened otherwise. It’s a trickier question and one that’s not easily answered.

      Either way, it was a great experience and even though it was expensive, I think in the long-run it will be more than worth it.

  5. Someone says:

    You hired interns, not junior-level support staff. If it surprised you to have to guide them, and you expected them to work 16-hour days, that’s your problem. You should be embarrassed with yourself for posting something like this. These guys all gave up six months of their lives to help you with your work and learn from you. The week they get back, you publicly post a rant about them? For shame.

    • Mark Manson says:

      The size of my business doubled, all three interns are now competent at aspects of internet marketing which will allow them to earn money online either in their own projects or for other companies. I learned about managing and they all got an amazing six month life-changing experience in an incredible culture for free. Overall the experience was win/win/win/win. And if I came across as critical or demeaning in this article, that wasn’t the intention (I believe they know that).

      As I said in the article, they’re smart guys and they did a great job. It just turned out what I hired them for is not what the business needed.

      • David says:

        I’m sure you could have written more about this, but decided to keep it a little brief.

        You were also self-aware and wrote what you weren’t so good at, and I must say I liked the fact you avoided all the U.S. self-developmenty blogger language like “guys it was, like, SO totally awesome, a 10 on the scale of awesomeness..” etc.

        In short, I read this as a positive learning experience for all.

    • Tim says:

      I’ll decide for myself whether this was a worthwhile experience for me, whether Mark misinformed me, and whether this article offended me thanks very much.

    • Andrew says:

      That’s some creative license-taking on the interpretation. Did you read the whole thing?

  6. The Notorious Phd says:

    I loved this post. For two reasons:

    (1) I have so much respect and admiration for your work (and too your honesty; like a recent example I was browsing the old PP forums and I can’t think of a single company/person who openly promotes their competitors if they feel it’s warranted), that I often forget that you face the same challenges, set-backs, successes, failures as the rest of us. That gives me a lot of hope, and it inspires me to push myself, despite fears. Thank you.

    (2) Your positive attitude practically slapped me in the face as I read this post. If I had taken a risk like this, I’d be like “Fuck! Why am I not on the NYT best-sellers list yet!?” It would behove the lot of us to understand and absorb your mindset.

    Keep on keepin’ on, Mark. It’s so wonderful that PM’s been trafficked a lot lately, but know that your influence is far greater than what can be captured by site-stats, hits, shares, re-tweets.

  7. Andy says:

    All in all it sounds like the whole project has been a success for all of you guys and the business. It must have been very rewarding getting all that work done in such a great place like Medellin.

  8. Hey Zac, Hey Halo, Hey Tim,

    I’d like to know from you if you’ll stay in touch with the forum and how your view of postmasculine has changed during the internship.

    Oh and what your future plans look like that would be interesting as well?

    And who did get the job offer?

    High Five, guys, you’re great :)

    • Tim says:

      Definitely will be sticking around on the forums, although I’ve noticed I’m spending less and less time on them these days, which I think is due to the focus they have on dating. I’m now more interested in my job/future career than pretty much any other area of my life. I’ll probably post there about that. I’ve decided that there are really two major interests that I could have a future with; music and writing, so I want to explore the possibility of a career with one of those. I’m also getting more and more interested in the concept of vulnerability, both personally and intellectually, and I’m going to try to explore that beyond the context of just dating, and in areas that Mark hasn’t written as much about. Admitting to myself that I want to be a good writer and actually putting in the effort to become one is the start of this process. And even little things like freely discussing those ambitions in this comment is important. I’m frightened and excited about the idea of living a life of really radical honesty, and I really can’t wait to see what that unveils for me. I think in the coming weeks that’ll start to take a more concrete form; maybe more university study, a new job or plans to move countries. For now it’s uncertain.

      Thanks Edmond, it’s members of the site and it’s community like you that make me proud to have worked for it, that make me believe in what it’s doing, and that make being a part of this journey of self-improvement so enjoyable and rewarding.

      • aaron says:

        Tim,

        I haven’t been spending much time on the forums anymore, but I recall the article you wrote at the beginning of the last NBA postseason. Just wanted to say again that it was great. Keep up the writing and wishing you all the best ahead. Really appreciate all your contributions to the site and forum.

    • Halo Effect says:

      Hey Edmond,

      I will keep posting on the forum like I have been.

      It’s funny, but I don’t think my view of Postmasculine changed much during the internship. I know a LOT more about what happens behind the scenes now, and my view of PM probably changed gradually over the last few months, but I think the core concept of what Postmasculine is has stayed pretty much the same. I still like Mark’s posts and I still love what Postmasculine stands for. There were no surprises in this regard.

      I am the one that got the job offer. My plans are to finish my degree ASAP, keep working for PM, get some work/experience on the side, study my ass off to become better at my job, and travel as soon as I can.

    • Zac says:

      Hey Edmond,

      I think I’ll be sticking around the forums. I spent a lot of time researching other blogs and forums but I always find myself at the PM forum. It’s a great place with good people.

      I think my view of Postmasculine pretty much stayed exactly the same. I think all three of us for the most part had a strong grasp on that.

      I think meeting Mark was pretty cool for all of us because Mark has helped us all as individuals a lot in our lives. I went into it with the mindset that he was just a normal guy.. Mark is very driven and works hard, there is no doubt about that, but when you get past the business he is just a chill dude who wants to have a good time in life. He taught us all a lot. I’d like to think we all taught each other a lot. I’ll probably get more into that later.

      Unlike my beliefs about Postmasculine, my beliefs about marketing underwent radical changes. There is a lot of trial and error involved (or at least there was for me) and it can be really frustrating at times. I think the learning curve for this stuff is both really interesting and emotionally exhausting.

      I’m not really sure what my future brings, besides a lot of hard work. Right now I’m settling my life back into the US. My main goals are to do cool things that allow me to learn as much as possible so I’m going to keep that mindset and see where it takes me. I think a big focus for me will be putting my site together better, beating some bushes to find some free-lance work, and searching for something steady and fulfilling. I hope that job is Internet and marketing related, but we’ll see.

      I haven’t had time to really decompress and get much written down. I have a lot more to say about my experience. I’ll probably write another much lengthier comment on this post and then start blogging about what I learned life/marketing wise over on my blog.

      Thanks for your comment Edmond. I’m really thankful to Mark for this experience but I think It would be a little short sighted not to realize that a big part of the reason I got to have this awesome experience was because of support from all of the readers of the site.

  9. Peter says:

    mark,
    i just finished a book on leadership: “people follow you” by jeb blount. a short read but very worthwhile.
    your reflections on the internship experience suggest you still have work to do if you want to become a truly great leader – although perhaps you don’t want to be a leader and would rather work by yourself or in partnership with an equal (not everyone wants to lead). have you written any posts on leadership? if not i think it would be very interesting to hear your thoughts.

  10. Jean says:

    The post mentions you, the interns, are from 3 different continents. Where are you from?

  11. Andrew says:

    You guys may not have hit your original goals, but I will say that the content over the last few months has been spectacular…ego stroking aside, seriously.

    I was one of the finalists for the internships that didn’t make the final cut, but instead of watching from sidelines in envy (OK, maybe a little envious…ha!), I just really enjoyed what you guys created. On top of that, and at risk of sounding like I’m parroting everyone else, you’ve inspired me to hit the road (skies?) again. Just bought Escape Plan and read it in a day. If only I had this “manual” before I took off on my travels the first time…

    Congrats, you guys.

    And good fucking work.

  12. aaron says:

    Tim, Zac, Halo,

    I was one of the 67 as well who applied for the internships. It was really interesting to read about what I believe to be Mark’s closing comments about it.

    Just wanted to chip in too and thank you for all the good work that you guys have done over the past few months. All the best to you guys ahead.

    Halo – congrats on getting the job :)

  13. Johan says:

    Congrats to all of you guys – Mark and the interns.

    I’ve occasionally hired contractors for short-term projects, and yes, the managing aspect takes up more time than I initially expected — and that’s hiring people who do their stuff “for a living”.

    Thanks for the insights, Mark. Depending on what you decide to “outsource” or hire out for in the future, I’m sure the experience will vary.

  14. Hey Halo, Zac and Tim again :)

    I really, really appreciate the long replies of yours to my comment. It was a pleasure to read them and that all of you are going your own, unique way in life with so much focus and dedication. I really wish you just the best on your journeys and I hope we’ll stay somehow in contact via the forum or personal messages :)

    My life is really busy right now, I’m studying a lot, while I plan the last details about my trip to Kopenhagen (I’ll fly next week) and I got introduced to the couchsurfing idea, which I really like. It’s likely that I’ll host some foreigners soon and I’m really excited about it. Simultaneously, I’m starting to work at a volunteer organisation, which I am really passionate about and improving my flirt skills and fitness level are priorities in my life as well.

    So much from me, I hope you’re doing well and Mark just like the rest of the forum members as well :)

    Take care guys, you’re great.

    Edmond

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  19. AndrewDollins says:

    You never succeed unless you try, and with me I find that the bigger the goal the more failures you will have to endure. I love Medallin, if your a man enough to face your fears and goto a different country this is the place to go. It’s a beautiful place with beautiful people, I am grateful to have spent time there. This is the country where I figured out my life in the US was one big fat lie. I tried the marriage thing, and thought if I provided well for my family that I was a man and happiness would follow. Oh how wrong I was Medallin showed me just how much of a rat race the US was and a woman out there showed me how loveless my marriage was. It has taken me 6 years to actually act on this and divorce my wife, as security blankets are very comfortable for the weak and needy. However Medallin was the catalyst that started it all. It made me realize that you don’t have to settle for less than the best in life and if you do settle you will never be satisfied. Hope your interns enjoyed the experience.

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