The Rise And Fall of Ken Wilber
Ken Wilber is the smartest man you’ve never heard of. He’s a philosopher and mystic whose work attempts to integrate all fields of study into one single model or framework of understanding.
When I say, “all fields of study,” I mean that literally. Wilber believes that every field of knowledge contains at least one aspect of truth, no matter how small, and that reconciling disparate disciplines is a matter of integrating what’s right about them rather than discounting them for being partially wrong. As Wilber often puts it: “No one is smart enough to be wrong 100% of the time,” and therefore we should focus on what’s right and leave out the rest.
Neurobiology, Jungian archetypes, horticultural societies, hermeneutics, Hegelian dialectics, systems theory, Zen koans, post-structuralism, Vedantan Hinduism, capitalist economic systems, transpersonal states of consciousness, neo-Platonic forms — the list goes on and on — all explained and fit together neatly in one map of reality, what he semi-ironically calls, “A Theory of Everything.” Above all, he manages to explain it all in lucid and brilliant prose. You literally feel yourself getting smarter as you read him.
A intellectual prodigy as a child, Wilber was a Doctoral student at Duke University in biology when he quit his program in order to, as he put it, “sit in a room by myself and stare at a wall for five years.” He then went on a binge of studying eastern spirituality, religion, and psychology.
Here’s a video of him stopping and starting his brain waves using different forms of meditation:
I discovered Wilber when I was 19. That same year I read all of his books, all 15 of them. They were dense, but it was a watershed moment in my intellectual and personal growth. Discovering him was truly conscious-expanding. After understanding his model, the rest of the world felt simpler. Also, I had a very powerful spiritual experience when I was a teenager, but could never reconcile any sort of spiritual practice or belief with scientific knowledge and rigor. Wilber did that for me. He’s been one of the most influential thinkers, if not the most influential thinker in my life.
There’s not nearly enough room on this blog to do Wilber’s theory justice. But if you’ve got time and are up for an intellectual exercise, you can find a summary of his integrated psychological model here, a brief overview of his AQAL model here, and a long-form critique of his work here.
Of course, the best way to learn about his material is to go to the man himself. I recommend everyone begin with A Brief History of Everything followed by Integral Psychology and his masterpiece Sex, Ecology, Spirituality.
Instead of attempting to explain his work, I’ll instead outline a few of the most important ways that he’s influenced my own thinking:
- Nothing is 100% right or wrong, they merely vary in their degree of incompleteness and dysfunction. No one or nothing is 100% good or evil, they just vary in their degree of ignorance and disconnection. All knowledge is a work in progress.
- Leaps in evolution usually occur in a manner of “transcending and including,” not by wiping out what came before. For instance, the evolution to the developmental level of a single-cell organism did not wipe out molecules, but included them into a greater order of complexity. Wilber asserts that this pattern of evolution occurs with all phenomena. Rational thought did not eliminate emotion, but included it into a greater developmental level of consciousness. Industrial societies did not wipe out agriculture, but transcended agriculture into greater levels of efficiency and prosperity. If we’re going to truly evolve, we do so by including and integrating what came before into something greater, not by wiping it out.
- Related to Point #2: the goal of spirituality is to transcend the ego, not to demolish it or repress it. Many spiritual leaders who claimed to have rid themselves of ego, it turns out, merely repress it. The results are horrible and sometimes tragic.
- Wilber has a concept called the “Pre/Trans Fallacy” which states that people often mistake what’s pre-conventional (earlier phase of development) for being post-conventional (later stage of development) because neither are conventional. One example he uses is the New Age spiritual movements which glorify a return to an infantile state of acting purely on emotion and desire. They mistake these earlier, narcissistic emotional whims for spiritual experiences, since both emotional revelry and spiritual experiences are non-rational experiences. Since their emotional revelry is non-rational, and spiritual experiences are non-rational, they confuse the two. This concept can be applied in many areas of personal and social development.
- Perception contains interior and exterior modalities, or Wilber’s solution to the Mind-Body Problem in philosophy. You can cut open someone’s brain, track the neurons firing when they think about a cat, but which is real, the neurons firing or the thought about the cat? It depends who you ask. The problem arises when one assumes that our thoughts and behavior are controlled by the physical assortment of neurons firing, it implies that our minds are not autonomous and that we lack free will. Wilber states that both the interior and exterior modes of consciousness are not only equally real, but reflections of one another. Indeed, research into neuro-plasticity (the ability to change the physical configuration of your brain through changing thought patterns and behavior) is beginning to back up this conclusion.
- Hierarchies exist, but don’t necessarily mean moral superiority. There are higher levels of development and complexity, people of greater skills and talents, but that does not mean they are morally superior or more complete expressions of reality or that lower levels on the hierarchy should not be honored. For instance, nuclear science is a higher form of human understanding than voodoo magic or religious dogma, but Wilber argues that that does not mean one should be imposed onto the other. Each has its uses depending on where a person’s level of consciousness is.
The beauty of integrating ALL fields of knowledge into a single model is that that model has wide implications on EVERY field of study. Once you understand Wilber’s conclusions, it becomes apparent how his model and ideas could benefit everything from politics to science to psychology to spirituality.
A Movement Is Born
In 1999, coming off the success of his monster 1,000-page magnum opus Sex, Ecology, Spirituality and the model of consciousness and development it presented, Wilber started Integral Institute, a think-tank and academic institution to set the foundation to disseminate Wilber’s ideas to the world.
World famous leaders and thinkers such as Al Gore, Tony Robbins, Nathaniel Branden, Alex Grey, David Deida and Tony Schwartz gave ringing endorsements. Seminars and websites were created, conferences convened, it seemed a legitimate spiritually-infused intellectual movement was taking form and was soon to uproot conventional “non-integral” forms of thinking in science, academia, politics, and society in general.
Among Wilberites, there was a bursting enthusiasm. For his entire career, Wilber had been an intellectual recluse, turning down every interview and refusing to prescribe any sort of action or application of his model to the world around him. He spent more than 20 years in radio silence. But that was about to change. At the time, Wilber talked about the birth of a new integral zeitgeist which he believed would sweep through conventional thought and change how the world perceived itself. And we believed him. Wilber’s work had changed our lives, so naturally we couldn’t wait to see what the actual application of his model could do for society at large.
In early 2005, I excitedly attended an Integral Intensive weekend in Boston. Not only did I want to engage with other “second-tier” thinkers, but I wanted to somehow get involved and help promote Wilber’s ideas. As a lowly university student, I scrounged up almost of all of the money I had in order to go (to this day, it is the only self help seminar I’ve ever attended).
But upon arrival, my idealism took a punch to the gut. And although the weekend was an enjoyable experience and in some ways powerful, by the time I left, something didn’t sit right.
Great Light Casts A Great Shadow
At the weekend seminar, I couldn’t shake the feeling that what we were participating in was thinly-veiled self indulgence and little more. In hindsight, I think this was as much a branding problem (from a business perspective) as an organizational problem (social perspective). Integral Institute built their movement in order to influence academia, governmental policy, to get books and journals published, to infuse these ideas into the world at large. Yet, here we were, spending money to sit in a room performing various forms of meditation and yoga, having group therapy sessions, art performances, and generally going on and on about how “integral” we were and how important we were to the world without seemingly doing anything on a larger scale about it.
If you want to be a self-development seminar and motivate people, then be a self-development seminar and motivate people. If you want to be a formal institute and have serious effects on policy and academia, then do that. Don’t half-ass both and muddy them with gratuitous talks and performances. The irony in all of this was that Wilber’s integral framework applied to organizations and business and should have accounted for these branding issues, but didn’t. The ironies would soon continue to mount.
Following Wilber online, the conversation seemed to only become more and more insular. With an onslaught of problems in the world crying out for an integral perspective and solution — terrorism, the Iraq War, climate change, world hunger, financial crises — the silence coming from the Integral crowd was deafening. Major global and social issues were often only referred to in passing as descriptors for a certain level of consciousness development with the overarching implication being that “they” are not as highly developed as “we” are.
We’re “second-tier” thinkers. We’re going to change the world… as soon as we’re done talking about how awesome and “second-tier” we are.
Instead, most conversations involved esoteric spiritual topics, impulsive self-expressionism, and re-explaining the integral model in 4,102 different ways. For a philosophy based on including and integrating as much as possible, its followers sure expressed it by forming a nicely-sealed bubble around themselves.
Evidence of this came when Wilber’s critics popped up. Experts in many of the fields Wilber claimed to have “integrated” questioned or picked apart some of his assumptions. In Wilber’s model, he uses what he refers to as “orienting generalizations,” ways of summarizing entire fields of study in order to fit them together with other forms of knowledge. Wilber admits in his work that he’s generalizing large topics and that there is not consensus in many fields, but that he’s constructed these generalizations to reflect the basic and agreed-upon principles of each field of study.
Well, a number of experts began questioning Wilber’s choice of sources, and claimed that what he portrayed as consensus in some fields such as developmental psychology or sociology, it turned out there was still quite a bit of debate and uncertainty around some of Wilber’s “basic” conclusions. Often, what Wilber portrayed as the “consensus” of a certain field actually amounted to an obscure or minority position.
Critics also picked apart Wilber’s model itself, showing minor contradictions in it. And a number of people caught on to his shockingly meek understanding of evolutionary biology and his puzzling insinuations of intelligent design.
Wilber’s eventual response to many of these critics was nothing short of childish — a dozen-or-so page (albeit extremely well-written) verbal shit-storm that clarified nothing, justified nothing, personally attacked everyone, and straw-manned the shit out of his critics’ claims.
For many, that was the day the intellectual giant fell, the evolution stopped, the so-called “Einstein of consciousness” took his ball and went home.
From there, the integral movement began to sputter. Rabbi Marc Gafni, a spiritual leader whom Wilber aligned himself and even co-sponsored seminars with, was later indicted in Israel for child molestation. Despite this, Wilber and his movement refused to distance themselves or repudiate him. In fact, the whole integral scene doubled down, claiming that its critics were “first-tier thinkers,” and were coming up with lies in order to attack a greater, higher level of consciousness that it didn’t understand.
The seminars slowed to a crawl. Wilber’s health deteriorated greatly (he was diagnosed with a rare disease that keeps him bed-ridden). He stopped writing. Ten years on, despite developing some fans in academia (some in high places) Wilber’s work had yet to be tested or peer-reviewed in a serious journal. Much of his posting online devolved into bizarre spiritual claims (such as this one about an “enlightened teacher” who can make crops grow twice as fast by “blessing them”).
The brilliant scientist-turned-monk-turned-recluse-turned-New-Age-celebrity, whose ideas changed everything for so many people (myself included), devolved into the butt of another New Age joke. How the mighty have fallen.
A Cautionary Tale
Although flawed, Wilber’s integral perspective continues to be an inspiration in my life. I do believe he will be written about decades or centuries from now, and will be seen as one of the most brilliant minds of our generation. But as with most brilliant thinkers, his influence and ideas will be carried on by others in ways which he did not anticipate or plan.
Wilber’s story is a cautionary tale. His intellectual understanding was immense, as much as I’ve ever come across in a single person. He also tapped into some of the farthest reaches of consciousness, spiritual or not, that humans have self-reported. I do believe that. But ultimately, he was done in by his pride, his need for control and, well, ironically his ego.
The point is, if Wilber can succumb to it, any of us can. No one is immune. No matter how brilliant and how “enlightened,” we’re all animals.
Wilber was a baby boomer in the US through the 60′s and 70′s. He came up through many of that generation’s eastern spiritual movements. These movements were started by eastern teachers and subscribed to a dogma that an enlightened awareness could develop someone into a flawless individual, an immutable authority. Despite Wilber’s massive understanding of human psychology and consciousness, he never seemed to shake this dogma. It followed Wilber through his career and eventually manifested itself in himself. When he was younger, he notoriously followed Adi Da, a spiritual leader who was later found to be sexually abusing female followers. Yet he stood by him. Later in his career, he also aligned with Andrew Cohen, a spiritual leader who was found to be physically and emotionally abusing his followers. And again, he stood by him. Why? Because Wilber maintained they had genuinely reached the farthest limits of human awareness and understanding.
What Wilber taught me is that no depth of spiritual experience can negate our physical and primal drives for power, lust and validation. As primates, we’re wired to seek someone to look up to as well as to be looked up to by others. And that’s true whether we’re experiencing Godhead or bodhisattva or not. It’s inescapable.
Wilber also showed me that a brilliant mind does not necessarily make a brilliant leader. Wilber bragged in an interview that he never planned anything at Integral Institute, because planning would not represent a “second-tier” leadership. Despite massive funding, enthusiasm, brain power and demand, Integral Institute found a way to fail.
The grand irony here is that Wilber’s model itself, the Integral framework, accounts for and describes everything I said in the paragraphs above. Wilber failed in the exact ways his own model predicted. His model champions the idea of transcending the ego, not negating it. It calls for crowd-sourced intellectual rigor and peer-review. It goes on, at length, about the shadow self and how our unconscious desires sabotage our greater goals. It covers our primal and biological nature and how our lower impulses must be accepted and kept in check.
Yet he still succumbed to the same faults he warned us about.
David Foster Wallace states in his speech “This Is Water” that we all choose something to worship, whether we realize it or not. Wilber would say what we choose to worship is dependent on the stage or level of consciousness we’ve developed to. And he would be right.
But what he seems to have missed is that worshipping consciousness development itself, Wilber’s so-called “second-tier” thinking, leads to the same disastrous repercussions Wallace warned of: vanity, power, guilt, obsession.
No one is immune.
As humans, we have a tendency to cling to ideologies. Any positive set of beliefs can quickly turn malevolent once treated as ideology and not an honest intellectual or experiential pursuit of greater truth. Ideology does in entire economic systems and countries, causes religions to massacre thousands, turns human rights movements into authoritarian sects and makes fools out of humanity’s most brilliant minds. Einstein famously wasted the second half of his career trying to calculate a cosmological constant that didn’t exist because “God doesn’t play dice.”
Wilber’s brilliance will always be a part of me. But what he really taught me is this: There is no ideology. There is no guru. There is only us, and this, and the silence.




I’ve never read any of this guy’s stuff, sounds interesting though. The whole time I could not help but draw comparisons to Osho, who used his supporters’ money to buy a fleet of Rolls-Royces for himself.
Yes, Osho is a perfect example of one the Baby Boomer gurus.
To Wilber’s credit, he didn’t rip anyone off, didn’t hurt anyone and legitimately attempted to create something greater than himself… He just created a bubble and not a legitimate movement.
Seems as though there is such a strong need in folks to create a ” movement ” ….What’s that all about ? still wanting to change the world ? Wanting for others to behave or act differently ? Why ? is it perhaps that we still haven’t seen the obvious…every person no matter who they are only does what to them is true and valuable in the moment of doing based upon their conditioning ?
Can we then not give them and ourselves a break ? Would that not be the beginning of true compassion ?
Is it not possible to put all this aside , raise one’s mood and see what happens around one as a result ?
Are we still wanting to find that non disturbed state which every human being has been searching for from the beginning of time, much to the detriment of all concerned ?
Is it not clear that the world is but a mirror for our collective inner state of conflict ?
If I ever come to grips or transcend that inner conflict ( which we call ego ) does that give me the right to look down upon those who haven’t ?
Does that make me an authority on the subject ?
Beware of ” authorities ” on any subject especially when your inner life is concerned,. Always verify. The proof is in the pudding.
Am I capable of maintaining an inner state that is more than content , am I able to raise the mood around me without drawing attention to myself ?
That would be a neat demonstration.
Or am I still working to satisfy those inner urges for pleasure, approval , attention and self importance , above and beyond what come to me naturally everyday ?
In other words am I still a parasite in this world or a
contributor ?
In the end no theories can answer those simple question.
They just make for interesting reading.
Respecfully.
He ripped off Sri Aurobindo.
Mark,
My experience of Wilber and his work has followed a similar course to your own. It’s been about two years since I lamented about Wilber’s Trivedi endorsement (in the post you linked to above). Since then I have all but lost interest in Wilber and the I-I/Integral Life-based expression of his work, while like yourself remaining grateful for the many ways the bald guy has inspired me and influenced my thinking and living for the good. I couldn’t agree more with your analysis of Wilber’s limitations and his eventual downfall. Perhaps he has a surprise or two left in him, but even if he never writes another useful word, he has given us quite a gift. I feel the same today as I did when I first realized my disillusionment with the integral scene (circa 2004): It’s up to us — you and me — to carry forward that which has moved and inspired us about Wilber’s work. This, of course, applies to all our mentors and heroes, and this is as is should be.
Thanks for this thoughtful, very well-written piece.
Yeah Bob, the other integral people I know have the same story we do. It’s too bad, but I’m grateful for the experience nevertheless.
Thanks for stopping by.
Many of the world’s most insightful figures when it came to the human mind lacked that insight when it came to themselves. Or, maybe they did have they were aware of their own faults, biases and delusions, but lacked the will to address them. Or they knew how to face those things, but opted not to.
A man does wrong, either because he doesn’t know it’s wrong, or he knows it’s wrong, but doesn’t know how to keep himself from doing wrong, or he knows it is wrong and knows how to stop himself from doing it, but decides to it anyway.
I’m not sure if you’re familiar with him or not, but there is a Spiritual Teacher & Writer by the name of Dr. David Hawkins (Power vs Force, Truth vs Falsehood, Reality, Spirituality & Modern Man) who writes about fallen gurus’ and ‘Malignant Messianic Narcissism’ in it’s various expressions throughout society and how choosing the wrong teacher can have calamitous effects upon your Spiritual growth.
I’ve never read any of Wilber’s work although I have heard of him many times. Seems he fell, as you describe above, to pride. The same as happened to Osho who had a spectacularly tragic fall from grace. Thanks for the informative article.
Mark,
A few things. Wilber was a Biochemistry candidate, not biology in Duke. I read from his book about his late wife Treya that he would read 2-3 books a day for years. If any person is willing to read that much for years, of course they would start to become a genius in anything if they only remembered 10% of the ideas in each book. Wilber is clearly well read, but I am not sure if he is a genius. When you put that much in your brain, eventually the ideas will start to amalgate and your subconscious goes into sorting out all that info. The last true universalist mathematician Poincare used to solve many problems by just absorbing all of the information by reading everything available, think about a problem, and sleep on in, thus allowing his subconscious to figure the solution out.
If you read his book with Treya and noticed his actions, you would understand that no matter how well read or book smart a person can be (Von Neumann, William James Sidis, Weiner, Kazynski), they are still humans, animals who will most of the time take actions and make decisions based off of emotions, and not logic. Gerber clearly stated that EQ will almost always trump IQ.
I look at what Wilber has done and sort of compare it to Bandler and his version of NLP. eventually the followers start to think and see the world only from that “frame” and turn that model into religion. Anthony Robbins even stated somewhere that his NAC system was developed because he was trying to dissociate himself from the NLP crowd. Indeed, any person who is more well read than 99.999% of all the rest of the humans on earth can develop a big ego problem. Wilber has been trapped by his own intellect. However, I do agree with his idea on the ultimate reality, taken from the Madhyamaka Branch basing everything on emptiness
When I saw the title of the article, my first thought was that that you were trying to punch above your weight. But it proved to be an interesting article, thanks.
I love the man for trying to bridge the worlds of science, philosophy and spirituality in an interesting way. It might be an impossible task at the end of the day, but at least he gave it a shot.
One thing, I’ve never heard about Marc Gafni before, but it appears from quick googling that he was accused of sexually harassing women, not children, and he has never been officially indicted according to his wiki page.
One of the accusers was 13 at the time the incident occurred and Gafni was 19. I believe he fled Israel before he was able to be indicted.
Gafni is certainly a controversial figure, but I think it’s important to get facts right on these things Mark (agreed with much of your blog btw).
He fled Isreal after being accused by women in his spiritual community – none of these were under age. He’s never been charged with child molestation.
The underage girls (13 and 16) happened early in Gafni’s career when he was still in the United States. The Israeli incidents involved adult women. Integral followers only started to disassociate themselves with him about a year or so ago when it was discovered he was having sexual relations with multiple women again, at least one of whom was a student. Gafni has been trying to keep himself relavent in the new age community but has been able to hold onto a handful of cult followers.
If your last sentence is objectively true, then the magnificent diatribe against Wilber does not matter. His actions, inactions, or thoughts, and yours too–and mine–bear no significance.
I love Ken. Not sure why this is a “diatribe” to you.
And yes, on the one hand, his shortcomings are just another perfect expression of the cosmos, but so is my disappointment, and… my article.
Well, every since the begining of the times that mankind is really attracted by the possibility of dominating/understanding what they can’t understand. That’s why people think esoterism is awesome. I had never heard of this movement but i did study esoterism. It’s funny because esoterism, mystical stuff, counsciousness and all that is kinda related. Actually, the idea that every field of knowledge is connected didn’t come from this bald guy mind. “The Golden number” anyone? That’s right… if i was Pythagoras i would sue this guy for copyrithgt lol
And if this guy wanted to show his ideas to the world, should have joined free-masonary. Even tho they are mainly a bunch of middle-aged hipsters who should have joined salsa classes like every normal middle-aged guy does when he realizes his social circle is reduced to 2 people now. But a lot of free-masons are genuinely good people.
To finnish, i personally think that this esoteric/conscioussness knowledge is useful and all to feel good about yourself and with the others but it’s not something you should want to dominate and spread like if you were some cool wizzard lol…
Thank you for your description of the Free Masons. My younger brother just joined and I can’t wait to pass it along. haha.
Another thriller would be The Experience of No-Self: A Contemplative Journey and What is Self by Bernadette Roberts.
If you can take it.
Here is an application of integral theory applied to dating and relationships:
Integral Relationships: A Manual for Men
http://www.integralrelationship.com/manual.asp
Integral Theory is alive and well.
http://integrallife.com/
I’ve read Integral Relationships. I found it fascinating and enjoyed reading it. But as a former dating coach, I found little of it to have practical applicability (seems to be a running theme with integral material).
As a former member of Integral Naked and Integral Life, I can say that “alive and well” is not nearly as alive or as well as things were 10 years ago. Sadly, neither is Ken.
This Article is just your attempt to transcend and include Ken Wilber.
You got me.
lol…. i was going to say that
really well written though mark. i was impressed and also moved.
of course it doesn’t mean anything unless you specify its kosmic address
It’s like the Batman of Parallel Universe who just kept on saying “it doesn’t matter” vs the Batman of our universe who said to him – “you looked into the abyss too long enough.”
I’m trying to understand with how it relates to my decisions now. Never heard of Ken Wilber, probably once in a psychology class in college (just too busy flirting with my seatmate) but I have always found myself connecting all parallels of reality into one cohesion. But it all just begins with the acceptance you cannot fully know everything but embracing and living in the moment with what you know.
It seems that Wilber has followed the same trajectory as Hegel and his idealism. On one side, a conceptual framework that has kept inspring thinkers for centuries (Marxism, totalitarian forms of nationalism in the XX century, American academic philosophy before pragmatism) and is still thought to be insightful today. On the other side, Hegel’s substantial application of his own idealism was considered to be overambitious and almost ridiculous, even by many of his contemporaries. He thought he had successfully resumed all empirical science in his work, and that the Prussian state (the proto-German state where he lived) was the end of history. Wilber as the Hegel of our time? It remains to be seen whether integral philosophy will be as influential as German Idealism. It could be.
Interesting comparison. And yeah, the framework and concept itself is still very powerful and I imagine will be written about and influential for a long time.
I think comparing him with Hegel goes too far, but seeing him as someone like the William James of our times seemes to be plausibel, at this point.
Exceptionally well written analysis of Wilber’s work. Thank you very much. It’s fascinating how every Wilber-fan I know walks on the same path.
Great article, Mark.
I ran across Wilber in the 1990′s as an early 20′s seeker of spirituality in Boulder, CO. Someone recommended his books, and before I read much of his stuff, I saw him speak at a small Buddhist college. He was an interesting, engaging speaker, but clearly had a massive ego, and was more than a little bit of a blowhard. I tried time and time again to wade through his work, including Brief History of Everything, and Marriage of Sense & Sensibility. Each time I couldn’t help but think he was in love with his own intellect & voice, and made things much more complicated than needed, in order to simplify him. His take on spiral dynamics has been useful for me, and he is an influential thinker, for sure, so I can’t completely dismiss the man as an egomaniac.
I have empathy for him in his quest to find healing from that strange disease. It seems that many people who are challenged by chronic illness also go through some kind of ego crisis. Hell, even those who are healthy go through that, but there seems to be some special sort of ego protection that occurs as one’s health goes through peaks & valleys. I can attest to that personally.
Anyway, the article was great, and it’s an excellent cautionary tale about putting too much faith or emphasis on any one teacher, guru, or path. I have come to fully appreciate the old saw about killing Buddha if you meet him on the road. Meaning, that we must ultimately trust in our own faculties and perceptions, not looking outside ourselves to any guru or teacher for validation or navigation along our own path. True authenticity is blazing trail for yourself on the journey of self-discovery with a sense of humbleness, wonder, and joy. Thanks for the post.
What do you mean with Point 4 “Pre/Trans Fallacy”? I didn’t really get it. Can you explain it in another way?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber#Pre.2Ftrans_fallacy
“What Wilber taught me is that no depth of spiritual experience can negate our physical and primal drives for power, lust and validation.”
This is such a powerful notion, I paused when I read this and I’ve been chewing it over over the past few days. I think this relates to something that’s been running through my head as I get a lot of helmet time while riding south, and that’s this phrase: “Kill your heroes”. Not literally, of course, but in the sense that we create ideals of who our role models are, and it’s important that we shatter those ideals by seeing through our constructs.
It’s important not just because truth is important (though it is), but because our heroes usually have done things that we want to do, and if we see our heroes as superhuman, then we close ourselves off to their achievements. Thus, by taking our heroes off the pedestal, we give ourselves the freedom to meet and to surpass them. And this goes back to the quote above, in that we should see our heroes as being just as fallible as the rest of us.
This is relevant to me right now, as I’ve read numerous accounts on the trip I’m doing (motorcycling the Pan-American). I’ve been writing about this trip professionally, and as I do it, I find myself writing things that sound like what I’ve read. But as I’ve experienced these things, they’ve seemed quite doable, if challenging, whereas when I first read them they seemed harrowing and daring. And I think this is the secret of the Adventure-Travel Writer (my sexy job title), that the scariest aspects get played up, but really the experience is in many ways quite normal: You ride, you eat, you bathe, you sleep. But the writer’s job is to make for an entertaining account, and of course we want people to read our stuff and validate us, and we want the ladies to think we are dashing and daring, and so we play up the tough parts.
So, don’t let your conception of a person close you off to their achievements. They are roughly as physically and emotionally vulnerable as you, and you too can do what they have done, and more.
“Wilber has a concept called the “Pre/Trans Fallacy” which states that people often mistake what’s pre-conventional (earlier phase of development) for being post-conventional (later stage of development) because neither are conventional. One example he uses is the New Age spiritual movements which glorify a return to an infantile state of acting purely on emotion and desire. They mistake these earlier, narcissistic emotional whims for spiritual experiences, since both emotional revelry and spiritual experiences are non-rational experiences. Since their emotional revelry is non-rational, and spiritual experiences are non-rational, they confuse the two. This concept can be applied in many areas of personal and social development.”
I loved that part. It describes so well what bothers me about a lot of new age, especially the “worship me I am a goddess” tantricas and pagans. It is a spirituality that is all yin with no yang.
Since it was just posted on the Integrallife website i wanted to share this. An Introduction to the Integral worldview by the man himself.
http://integrallife.com/video/brief-history-integral
Mark….seriously are we related ?
I sit here and read your article and have to agree so whole heartily with it. I myself moved through Wilber at early age much in the same fashion that you have mentioned above. There were days reading S.E.S where i could quite literally feel my mind stretching, getting smarter with each page.
At this point in my life i have let go of the death grip that i had on his theory and writings, and i like to think that Wilber’s theory is more a theory of “Anything” rather than “everything”. His theory has it limits, and the bit about using it in the real world is one that continuously pops up all the time everywhere you go, and i agree with. But i feel that he can’t be blamed for not making it happen the way he thought it would, thats our job, and if its not happening …..in some sense its our fault too. We gave him the power to let us down. Shadow hello !!!!!!!!(ahhhh to be Human, not Demi God, must been a shock for him to I imagine
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But for all the people that say this and that about him, and his theory, there is still one simple fact for me when it comes to Ken Wilber; and that is through him and my personal translation of his work, my life has been profoundly transformed in ways that i can definitely say would not have been possible without his guiding vision. Because of Ken the rain on the roof sounds more beautiful, the wind whistles an amazing sound, and the trees seems that much greener, and i can also firmly understand why people (including myself) do really dumb shit !
“IntegralSeduction”….. anyone?
Great article on one of my favorite philosophers, thank you!
Does Wilber’s theory account for genetic psychopathy/sociopathy? I agree that ideologies can become outdated, but I would argue that throughout history most sociopolitical movements and large organizations become co-opted by high-functioning psychopaths. I would agree that power corrupts, but it is also the corrupt that seek power. In the case of the psychopath, they are not only morally corrupt, but morally bankrupt. Hopefully, further discoveries in neuroplasticity will yield an effective treatment that can restore/rewire their missing “empathetic” capacity.
Yes he does. He talks about how these conditions can be treated both physiologically (through pharmaceuticals) and internally through subjective therapeutic work. Check him out.
You are a great writer because you argued in the affirmative with genuine conviction and then tore it down all the same. I’m glad I read the whole thing. I came here after clicking a link to your “Minimalism” post a friend of mine put on their facebook, and I was critical of it. I presumed it was your typical one-world, liberal, “Americans are fat and dumb” kind of article, with a good and positive message to justify its existence. Scrolling over your home page, I saw “10 things American’s don’t know about America”, with also a more recent post about protests in other countries and a headliner with “Americans just don’t know” or something to that effect. So to discredit your article as a sort of anti-materialism message, I just said he has a bone to pick with the excesses of american culture.
Then I came upon this, and I do not believe the word “America” was mentioned once. It deals with a subject that is very personal to me; self-avowed gurus that seek to create “the holy grail of philosophy”. My father was and still is one of these guys. While there can be a good amount of usefulness for helping people sort out their thoughts and emotions, it usually becomes self-aggrandizing and takes over people’s whole lives. It also tends to give spirituality a very bad reputation. I believe philosophy is a very personal thing, and if it is to be shared at all, it should be very substantive and useful. I’m not going to post a link to my dad’s website(I don’t believe it to be substantive or useful), just google “truth contest” and you’ll find it(yes if you were “feeling lucky”, you’d be right). Very similar to Wilbur.
Though as much as I never saw my dad, and not subscribing to his thought process, I did come to find the majority of people I came across had personal problems that were more mental than anything. Though I found it possible to change people’s perspectives for the better without dictatorial rules and tenants, with vague imaginary terms. That when we look for spiritual guidance or general advice for living, we should know we are going in the right direction when the answers we come to are indefinite, like our own freewill.
Thanks for the comment Max. I actually put more time and effort into this article than almost anything on the site. And the posts about America are the exception around here, not the rule. Thanks for posting.
Mark –
I came to your site through the “10 Things” post, as many other people seem to have done. Bravo! I really like your writing, and spent some time reading some of your other articles. I plan to read more.
Not to parrot what others have said here in the comments, but I, too, was a part of that Integral ‘movement’ (hmmm, good choice of word, there…) back around the early 2000′s, through about 2006. Hell, my wife and I have been to Boulder for the seminars, been to Ken’s house on the hill, perused his library (hint: a natural waterfall amongst books is not the best idea ever), and dined with KW at the loft downtown. We even worked some of the seminars that I-I was holding in Westminster. At the time, it was some of the best stuff we had ever One-Tasted.
It all started for us when two different people both recommended “No Boundary” in the same week. Great coincidence. Being reasonably absorptive readers, we then lapped up most of Ken’s written work, right down to the footnotes in SES. We hooked in one day some time later when Ken responded to a review of ‘Boomeritis’ I had written.
Long story short: We feel that Ken should have stuck to writing. I think he was better as that reclusive author/thinker that most of us originally found on the bookshelves. Many years (and dollars) later, we feel that the main downfall of the Integral movement was that the rubber just never met the road in group form. Sure, it gave a quick sugar high if you went to one of the seminars — perhaps it was the altitude? — but when you get back home, you realize that not only did the theories not have practical application in a society where no one else understands what you’re saying, but that the Institute seemed to quickly become an insular inner-circle of hyper-theoretical adherents who were highly protective of both the theory and the man.
Don’t get me wrong: Like you, the AQAL model still has a great deal of usefulness in our daily lives, and in a big way, “That explains sooo much.” Our lives are better for it. It helps us to understand why people behave the way they do, and why the world operates as it does. In fact, in the current world situation (endless war, climate change, liberty traded for “security”, the left/right paradigm, etc.), the model helps us to frame the driving forces in an understandable way.
The problem there is that, here in the southern U.S., there aren’t many people familiar with KW’s work, and most are really stuck in a less inclusive perspective. This causes immediate suspicion: “Oh, you’re not a liberal? Then you must be conservative. What? Not conservative? Then you must be liberal.” People just don’t understand the ‘transcend’ thing, for the most part, and we’ve had more than a few blank stares whenever we opened our mouths. So now, we don’t.
I suppose there’s comfort in knowing how things work, and yet somehow I think I might be happier if the memory was erased. Like Cypher in The Matrix, “Ignorance is bliss.”
Two things made me back away from most things Integral:
1) I was up at the house on the hill. Nice party with beautiful people. I walked out on the deck on a gorgeous, star-filled night. The air was crisp and clean. The moon was rising. And a small knot of people ignored it all while they engaged in high-level theory-speak, seemingly completely ignoring the moment.
2) Sensing issues with the Institute, we detached, and we’ve eagerly awaited Ken’s next trilogy, “The Many Faces of Terrorism.” Where is that writing? Where is any new work that would help us to better understand our current predicament? Promised for years, never delivered, and yet every week I still receive invitations to listen to this, or attend that, all for the low, low price of….
Anyway, Mark, just wanted to reach out and let you know of another kindred. Keep writing… you’re quite good.
Rob
If I’m reading Ken’s theory right, it sounds very similar to Michael Brown. However, in Michael Brown’s case, his “philosophy” is that since emotions are the source of all our experience, everything you do in the world is part of path to get better at feeling.
He released a book on this called The Presence Process (2nd Edition), and as a website http://www.thepresenceportal.com, where 99% of the stuff he releases are free.
I think it would be a very handy compliment to Ken Wilbur’s field.
This sounds very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
What a great article on Wilber. Reading Wilber also expanded my understanding of reality – I even did my MTh on the use of Wilber’s AQAL theory for pastoral care. Fortunately, I am too far away from all the intrigues around Wilber to care. I do disagree with Wilber on myths. The different levels of consciousness are very visible in South Africa (where I live) but unfortunately, the leaders either abuse the lower level dwellers or those in the know are all on the rational or even on the green levels (postmodernists) and don’t care. I will always be grateful that I discovered Wilber when I did. I have moved past him, not because of his ego but because there is nothing new at Integral.
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Mark -
I came across Mr. Wilber back in 2007 when working on my life long hobby of trying harmonize ‘Science, Religion & Philosophy’.
Saw a U-tube of Ken and was facinated by his ‘Integral’ ideas. Read ‘Brief History of Everything’ and ‘Quantum Questions’. Great works, but takes work and time to get it down. Ken is one of several spiritual teachers that has help me sort it all out. His AQAL map is actually very useful.
So have I figured it all out? Got a working web-web site – it’s a work in progress. I quote Ken serveral times – he’s one of the Masters. See http://www.harmonyangels.com. For an easy UI – click on ‘Ski the GS’ tab, then click on ‘GS Trail Map’ (still you need to, and like to, read – over 100,000 words – the links keep the reading sane). Happy trails.
Saw a recent u-tube video of Ken – his message was that in the end, it
is all about love. Basically the same message of the Golden Seat – ‘Love Up,
Love Down’.
Don
p.s. – your book ‘Models: Attract Women Through Honesty’ is on my
reading list.
Hey Mark
I offer a great deal of gratitude to Ken and his work over he past 10 years I have been following it and I don’t think there has been any major fall, just a dropping off of some of the dead weight would be a better analogy. I am the first to admit Ken is not perfect. But he is still probably among the .000005 % of Human beings that has offered the most positive output to the world in all of history.
To give a different perspective on a few things touched on in this post.
http://www.kenwilber.com/blog/show/46 This was a brilliant cross developmental post and it was sent to many people before it was posted. So it was very well thought out and it achieved the outcome it was aiming for.
Some think it took away from Ken , others thought is added value. For me I loved it, I saw the human, the humor and the many cross developmental lines in it.
“When he was younger, he notoriously followed Adi Da, a spiritual leader who was later found to be sexually abusing female followers. Yet he stood by him. “
Yes he was young why would you judge a guy for what he did decades ago and he has since clarified in detail , what went on with Adi da via his own model. He stopped endorsing him a long long time ago and even un-endorsed some of the books, as they have been updated after “Adi Da,” lost the plot and not have the pathological information in them.
Andrew Cohen is a very well respected teacher around the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cohen_(spiritual_teacher)
and when you are connecting with a larger about of people a few people will get aggravated by him. His Mum being one. More a symptom of the world of PC and Egos out of control. A good spiritual teacher needs to be compassionate and tough, press buttons to help people grow. The people made the choice of Andrew as a teacher. If they don’t like his style leave.
http://headthegong.com/blog/has-ken-wilber-jumped-the-shark/
Ken Clarifies Basically he lets go of his ego and basis his judgment on the scientific experiments and repute of whom carried out the experiments.
“Recently, I have been getting a lot of email asking me if I have, in fact, written several endorsements for the work of a spiritual teacher, Mr. Trivedi (“Guruji” to his friends and students), and if so, why?
The answer is yes (see the full essay below), and the reason is based entirely on direct, specific, scientific evidence. This evidence is so astonishing that I myself have never seen anything quite like it. Is Guruji “enlightened”? Well, you can meet him and decide that issue for yourself. What I am claiming—and supporting—is that Guruji’s capacity to conduct and transmit universal spiritual energy (or “shakti”) is utterly remarkable, as proven by scientific experiments themselves.”
Any way my take is that there is some accurate information, some outdated information and bit of the Pre-trans fallacy going on in this post.
Thanks for your intelligent perspective on Ken, and, more importantly, on the lesson to be learned about ego and ideologies. By the time I found Ken Wilber, I found a video of his seminar, and of course I could ensure only so much of. Now after all maybe I will check out one of his books after I catch up on the history of philosophy.
Great article. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with pretty much all you wrote. My experience is very similar so I won’t bother you with familiar ‘me too’ details. However I feel compelled to offer a synthesis of what I learned from Ken Wilber about the absolute ground of being at the source of everything – with minimum references to AQAL and the various complex articulations of the model.
The ground of being is an infinite and eternal formless substance that paradoxically has an exterior and an interior dimension, but it can only manifest in finite, temporal forms.
Though at certain points in the process of being and becoming the two aspects are simply one and the same, non-dual, eternal presence. It is the dynamic interplay between the infinite and finite aspects of this substance that creates the material universe, keeping everything in a state of perpetual becoming.
The interior of this process may be thought of as proto-consciousness, the exterior as proto-matter.
The subjective experience of the interior moves in and out of varying degrees of consciousness that correlate with the manifest forms of life, sentient and non sentient, that emerge during the eternal process of lumpy and chaotic creativity and flat equilibrium.
Each form arises as an expression of the tension of the interplay between the infinite and the finite, the conscious and unconscious aspects of the ‘One’ trying to maintain itself in a state of relative equilibrium. The subjective experience of this process is an inner tension that I have termed the ‘Primal Anxiety’.
Human consciousness is an emergent property of this proto-consciousness, or interior aspect, of the material process of creation. (Quanta, atoms, molecules, cells) Becoming conscious of itself through the human form allows the ground of being (or VOID) to consciously evolve, create forms, and experience states, that relieve the intra – subjective feeling of the Primal anxiety.
We humans relieve this anxiety by staying alive and consciously creating. We relieve anxiety physically by making sure we feed our bodies and engage in physical actions that generate and burn energy in life creating and life sustaining activities. Procreation being the most important and obvious, physical expression of the primal need to ‘become’ something.
We also relieve the primal anxiety emotionally by creating objects of desire so we can experience love, passion, joy, fear and hatred. All these emotions are mental constructs, sublimations of hormonal activity in the body that ensure we bond and procreate so the energy in the universe can continue flowing. Our values, ideas and beliefs are a merely a sublimation or translation into feelings, images and words, of the manifesting energy of the infinite ground of being. The human body and mind is a vehicle through which the ground of being can express and relieve the primal anxiety.
We do it intellectually by creating ideas and knowledge that explains things. Ken was fabulous at this! We feel happy and safe when we have discovered something. This gives us more temporary relief from the constant, anxiety at the heart of what is good, true and beautiful about our existence.
And finally, the most powerful of the things we creatively realise – our spirituality.
We can view sentient being as having three perspectives:
1- The finite, small self, conscious only of itself as a finite form, unable to understand or conceive of anything beyond it’s small, temporal self.
2. The finite, small self, aware that it is a finite expression of an infinite being or source of energy.
3. The infinite self aware that it is experiencing itself in finite form.
The second two positions may, at first appear to be only subtly different, but in fact the difference in perspective is vast. It is from the second perspective that human beings have created and imagined deities to worship, together with religions and other metaphysical and philosophical concepts to explain why we feel, think and do the things we feel, think and do. From this second position we need to create and imagine theories to explain why certain things seem to happen for no reason. We are uncomfortable with randomness and chaos preferring to believe in synchronicities rather than coincidence. Fate rather than serendipity. We creatively realise the Gods we need.
But what we don’t realize is that we are creating the things we believe to relieve the profound and eternal anxiety at the core of all that exists. We actually believe we are discovering and receiving hidden truths, when in fact the god’s we are creating, whether divine, religious, secular or scientific, are actually creating themselves through us. We are an expression of their becoming, but in reality ‘they’ are expressions of one source and that ‘one’ is trying to create and explain itself. Because it’s eternally anxious. Because it’s an INFINITE being trying to manifest in FINITE forms. See the Atman Project.
But in truth the one, undifferentiated ‘infinite ground of being’ doesn’t need to explain itself because it doesn’t need a reason to exist. It has always and already existed. The only thing certain is that it exists. Always has and always will. No reasons required. If we understand that so should IT.
Back to a scientific materialist, reductionist perspective for a moment- Energy has two extreme states, Zero to low entropy and equilibrium (the one) and high entropy and chaos (the many). However neither of these extreme conditions is permanent. These two states can be described as Being (The One) and Becoming (The Many).
But these two states are in fact, one, non-dual experience of the infinite ground of being becoming conscious of itself as the universe. In this condition the unconscious intention of the evolving, physical universe can evolve into full consciousness and animate all the matter in the universe with a collective conscious intent.
Maybe then an Omega Point will evolve and take conscious control of the process of cosmic evolution, creating conditions (galaxies, stars, planets, life forms and environments) within itself that are conducive to life, everywhere in the manifest universe. Perhaps it will strive to create a condition of existence in a galaxy, on planets somewhere that is close to the imagined Garden of Eden, Nirvana, or Heavenly Kingdom as envisioned by the world’s great religions- in relative terms.
When this stage of Kosmic evolution is achieved some might say that we will have reached the ‘end time’ as prophesised as the coming of the Lord.
But think again – How can there ever be an ‘end time’ for an infinite, eternal, ground of being. How could something infinite express the whole of itself? Surely there would always be more to express? Infinitely more.
Yes, the present universe we know and love will come to an end, but the substance of the ground will remain to create more universes, galaxies, solar systems, planets and life, in all it’s finite forms – eternally.
Why? – For no other reason than that’s all an infinite, eternal something can do to relieve the anxiety of only being capable of manifesting finite expressions of itself. It simply creates the illusion of completion by becoming conscious in forms that have a beginning and an end.
Only by manifesting itself as living, sentient beings can the infinite and eternal ground of being feel itself and find relief from it’s own, ever present, necessary and endless creative impulse. And in turn, the finite form it takes is driven by the need to express it’s infinite nature. When we understand this intellectually and spiritually we enter the 3rd perspective. The infinite self, aware that it is experiencing itself in finite form. That’s when the trouble really starts. Ego-logically speaking of course!
Either way, the upshot is this…the idea that it is possible to achieve an abiding, ideal, perfect or permanent state of enlightened bliss in this life or in any lives to come is just pure hokum.
And that’s largely what I gleaned from Ken.
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Agree with the first sentence, completely.
Not sure about the second and third. It can only be determined empirically.
I’m wondering… Without being too disrespectful to a well written article with many good points, to me this is more about the rise and fall of a projected father figure. We’ve all had heroes – and then we have grown up a bit and seen that they are not our saviors, but are in fact complete human beings. That fact is always disappointing at first.
Suddenly we see more of the picture. There is more to our heroes, they are not the all empowered beings who were going to save us. The world gets a little more frightening for a moment. We have to take more responsibility ourselves – we have to add to the theories we have learned. This can feel like the floor just disappeared from under us, and who’s going to take blame? Well, in most cases, the adored and projected artifact. The safe and comfortable view we had is now gone. A view in fact mostly created by ourselves, and not by the person out there. And by rejecting an outdated and partial view in us, we reject the outside object representing that view as well.
There are of course also some good points in the article (some less true than others), but the conclusion falls flat for me. And I also feel it is missing the spiritual and practical work entirely. If there is no practice, and just involving oneself in intellectual head games getting a high on these books (which I am massively guilty of myself) it just becomes very incomplete. I don’t see Wilber wrote his books that way. I actually highly recommend to hear him talk to get a better feeling for what this is really about. Kosmic Consiousnes by Sounds True is a great start. Or many of the interviews you can easily find.
Ken Wilber is by no means the only shit out there, and of course there are things to criticize – which is one great way to expand and improve the work. But that is not a problem at all, and not a sign of a fall. He definitely has not fallen yet though. Keep your eyes open for new material – it is on its way. He is writing again. No need to defend him or integral at all. I just feel this is not the fall of him nor integral, but how we use or interpret the help and insight we have got so far.
Cheers!
@samueltornqvist Hey Samuel,
Very perceptive comment on the fallen father-figure. I’m not going to deny that as there’s probably some truth to it. Although I don’t think it invalidates my criticism.
I heard Ken reappeared and is writing again. I’m thrilled to hear this. I await his new book, and if it’s great I’ll be the first one to post here celebrating it (perhaps: “The Rise, Fall and Rebirth of Ken Wilber”?)
But my gripes remain two primarily:
1) Ken’s demonstrated inability to handle criticism well and intellectually engage people outside of his little bubble of influence.
2) The lack of any real action being taken on by the integral “movement” that’s not completely self-indulgent.
As for the final conclusion, I stand by it. The idea that spiritual practice and awakening can somehow alter our fundamental psychological nature and misgivings is just boomer idealism. It’s so ironic that Ken’s own followers succumb to it with him.
@postmasculine @samueltornqvist Cheers! I actually wondered if my post was a little mean. I hope not. I did not intend it to be that way. I think you do great in posting these concerns, they are needed. I just wanted to add that as an observation as well, not as a way to invalidate what you say. But I think it is a good reflection still. I am “guilty” of it myself.1. I just don’t agree that he handles criticism badly. I don’t really know how to make my point better. I’m fine with you seeing it this way, I just don’t agree. I have read his “reactions” too. I just read them as Ken with more humor and self-distance. It is not that serious, and why not tell people to go and suck my dick now and then?
Perhaps that is needed to brake out of the norm?2. Firstly, I think you are mostly right. AND, (it might sound like a bad cop-out) at 2nd tier and above, you are just less bothered. But not in a detached way. (of course that can happen too, and it does – this is where the critique is just – heard of spiritual bypassing?) But there is also a bigger view makes you relax you a bit. Seeing that things are as they are, makes you less worried about trying to “fix everything right now”. A lot of the “saving the world today!” is ALSO often a lot of narcissistic bull, mostly trying to justify ones pressure on oneself for not feeling valuable or important. In fact a point that is not dealt with enough, in my mind. I have dealt a lot with this myself (and still need some work on it). I’m not saying this to devalue an important point of truly getting more engaged, but to bring in this often lacking perspective as well. Things are as they are, and there is change happening whatever you do or not. It is just not only your(my) responsibility, or all else goes to hell!!!! (aaaaaaah). This perspective gives a more positive outlook, and I think makes one value other views as well. Things are as they are, and it could not have happened any other way. People will still do and engage from their perspective. and that is the way it has to be. Even if you stop right now, it will all still go on. Green, amber, orange etc will still react and do what they “know” is best. I think there is enough green now for example, making it quite difficult to get away with amber and orange “greedy” shadows, which is often the worry of green. Thank God for all the different views in fact. Thank God for all the post modern ideas. They all fit in and do good where they are. It is the shadows we need to be aware of, we don’t need to control the outcome of the world.
I don’t think integral as a movement can, or is ready, for any huge change politically or otherwise. I don’t see an integral movement. I don’t see this happening now. I’m more interesting in developing integral awareness in me, and in others who are interested, and also how one can use this model with his/her own wisdom in any field of work. Ken is not here to save the world. We have to do the work, for example by using any model we see best and apply it to our work and practice. A lot of people are already doing that. They might not call it integral, but they still do, and they are not that many yet to see huge changes that we so desire. I just don’t see integral as a movement out there to save us. We don’t need to be saved.I believe as a theory (and also because of my practice) that anything we engage in needs much practice and real application in order to work. Not just an engagement in reaction to our fears, that changes everyday. Also, many of us (including myself) easily get stuck in the texts and the theory. You know the first Wow experience reading the stuff…. But then that often dies when we try to truly try to engage with it. We realize there is so much responsibility that it is often easier ditching the whole thing and blame someone else. (not hinting that is what you do – but that is the general tendency in 1st tier – WHO made it all wrong?). I think there is a similiar tendency with integral in the community, and Rob pointed this out very well.Integral work is truly difficult: There are few who are truly interested. There are few Sanghas, little support. It is a massive uphill climb to engage in these ideas, or any other revolutionary model for that matter. There is a lot of frustration and resistance.I also think that the model Wilber has presented is the best I know. I am totally ok with better one(s) if there are any, but I have not seen them yet. And of course that doesn’t mean that we can’t criticize the model, of course we can and should. It is the best map I know. But the map is still not the territory (almost cliché now a days, but it is so true, and it is good to remember), so I am a little careful with ditching the whole thing, and its author(s) without looking at my own usage of it, and what is going on with me. Use the tools/maps until they are truly not needed anymore. If integral is not useful for you anymore, that is fine.No, spiritual awakening is not enough, and Wilber nor integral claim that. It is an all quadrant affair, which is one of the reasons integral is so useful. I have written too much already so I say: (and I think you know what I mean) You have to wake up, grow up, and show up. A theory without practice doesn’t go far. How do you practice?
@postmasculine Sorry about the text cluster, it did not come out the way I formatted it.
@postmasculine @samueltornqvist I’d just like to repoint to my above post. There are a significant number of “integralites” doing actual work in actual fields who are far from self-indulgent. They are committed and engaged. This information is not some deeply hidden secret – it’s out there to be found. There are community development groups, social workers, psychologists, organizational development/business consultants, educationalists, ecologist and sustainability folks, and yes – even men’s movement people of various kinds – doing Integrally informed work right now and for quite some time. The numbers are few relative to larger world because the people doing it are pioneers, but heck, they are not hard to find. Google “Integral” plus a field and you’re quite likely to find these people quickly. I am sorry, this kind of thing is just disappointing as someone who knows these people and knows they are readily out there. You read all the books Ken wrote but haven’t cracked open anything else apparently.
@mdaf30 @postmasculine I can see why you posted this to me too, Mark. But I am actually totally with you on this one. I was just trying to add some perspectives so to broaden the view of “the author”, lol. I don’t think that integral has fallen the slightest, and I know there is a lot happening. I’m part of the integral network in Spain myself.
I know of your work, and this is very inspiring. It is people like you that truly are taking this somewhere. Cheers!
@mdaf30 @samueltornqvist I’m aware there’s a lot of “integral” tendencies emerging in a lot of different fields. I actually covered this in my response to Robb earlier. My point was that these tendencies for more integral thinking are actually inevitable and are happening more and more. My point was also that these are of no direct result of I-I but rather an overall sea change in the way people are viewing things.
@samueltornqvist ad hominem
Interesting article. I realized a lot of this sentiment when I read a lot of similar thinking 6 years ago when I co-founded Integral Life with Ken in 2007. Since then I often describe to people the three stages of relationship to integral, and stage 1 identity is proceeded by stage 2 critical differentiation (and for some, angry dissociation). The interesting place to live, at least for me, is in the mysterious and compassionate requirements of embodied stage 3 integration, which in my experience takes one about 5+ years of working in the field full-time to reach. One of the reasons my own relationship to integral metatheory has contained a certain affectionate distance is my belief that the social systems that surround the integral-as-social-phenomena need themselves to differentiate into a healthy segregation of service for each of the 3 stages. It’s the only way to create a genuine conveyor belt of embodied understanding appropriate to one’s own relationship to the various dimensions of the framework and community. In fact the primary reason I held Integral Institute back from trying to be a dominant institution from 2007-2009 was to encourage precisely this healthy stage 2 differentiation of the space into a much higher variety of expressions. I’d close by saying that it’s easy – I mean that, emotionally trivial – to criticize from the sidelines; it’s far harder to actually take complete responsibility within one’s own life for the ethical imperative contained within integral as a critical ethical philosophy and use every last ounce of energy to see that its core is manifest in every effort, relationship and institution one touches. That takes extraordinary courage and resilience and is the heart of the leadership in which the integrative impulse will eventually find itself in the world’s best leaders in years to come.
@RobbSmith Viewing disenchanted former members of the “movement” as in some sort of three-stage process seems to me as a convenient (and condescending) way to brush aside their criticisms.
Look, I’m all about the integral framework itself. It’s informed my life as much as any other piece of information I’ve come across. I hear Ken is writing a new book too. I’ll definitely buy it and read it when it comes out.
BUT, and this is the big but… just because something is a good intellectual framework doesn’t make it a useful socio-political movement. And that’s where I hop off the train and will remain skeptical until proven otherwise.
You say you run Integral Life. Please tell me, what is the integral movement DOING these days? In my mind, the question of “What does Integral LOOK LIKE when applied in the world?” has yet to be sufficiently answered.
@postmasculine @RobbSmith Interesting. That’s the first reaction of insult I’ve heard of that kind to what most have thought as a simplifying framework for our relationship to symbols as they metabolize into our self-identity (not just for integral of course, but very useful for it because it is the subjectively invisible territory of a stage 1 identification with integral as a sort of postmodern existential therapy). In any case, no condescension intended, and discard if it is not useful to you. And it doesn’t address any criticisms, nor does it invalidate them; that’s not what it’s meant to do. It is merely one way to frame criticisms, and in particular like all stage models serves as an evolutionary rubric that functionally asks: what is being left out?
In your second paragraph you write that you get off the train with integral as a socio-political movement. I can understand the association, but from what I can tell there is very little political thrust to any of the broader community’s agenda or activity (though there is an integral political party that has won seats in parliament in Switzerland). I don’t think it is that kind of thing in the world, though if you read the subtext of my first comment you might detect that it was precisely my fear of such that kept me from attempting to popularize integral. I don’t think the leadership of the integral community, generally speaking, have a deep enough knowledge or sensitivity to the risks contained within integral as a normative-pedagogical system.
Finally, in your last paragraph: the question is not specific enough for me to answer. I don’t believe that a movement, particularly one that is not political, can be easily attributed for activity that arises by members who feel some sense of social cohesion within it. It’s ontologically problematic, at least for me. There are thousands of interesting and worthwhile projects, companies, books, etc. being produced by people around the world who would self-identify as being influenced by integral as an organizing metatheory. But I’m not impressed that that is saying much.
My latest project is Chrysallis. From what I’ve seen of thousands of companies, products, books etc. (both integral and not), it is one of the most deeply integrative projects in the world. And yet it is not integral in any self-identified way. But it couldn’t have been designed or executed without the embodied epistemology that integral offers. All of which means to me that our relationship to this symbol called integral will be a direct reflection of our projected expectations of it.
@RobbSmith I just saw your TED talk. I liked it and agreed with it.
I’m not necessarily looking for a socio-political movement per se. I’m looking for application. You run Integral Life. You have connections to that crowd. I’ve read all of Ken’s books, was one of the original subscribers to Integral Naked, and even signed up for one of the Integral seminars aback in 2005. By all accounts, I am your primary constituency. So please take what I write below as honest criticism as someone who is very enthusiastic about Ken’s ideas:
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I guess my gripe with integral back then was that it felt like a lot of talk and little walk. Ken would talk about how terrorism is “red” in spiral dynamics and evangelicals are “blue” and how Wall Street is “orange” but there was never any discussion about practical actions people could be taking toward applying this knowledge to the world. There was no, “You know, helping socio-centric people in this culture stands to create a lot of real lasting change, so we should help fund churches in Moldova” or “Integral theory suggests that there’s a connection between unconscious behaviors and economic inefficiencies in financial markets. We should sponsor an academic study on that and get it published in the Wall Street Journal.” Something like that… ANYTHING practical and applicable. These are supposedly some of the most brilliant minds on the planet.
Instead everything felt like it was brushed aside with platitudes about being second tier and then it was left at that. Nothing was ever dug in to or acted on. From the few years I was involved the only things that were acted upon were art and spiritual practices.
Granted, both art and spiritual practices are important, but when you have a theoretical framework that you view to be the defining theoretical framework of your entire generation, shouldn’t you be applying it somewhere other than koans and slam poetry?
Anyway, that was the frustration that brewed in me. And then Ken and the criticisms, I really just lost interest. I assumed given his health as well that he was done too, hence the title of this article.
So I hope you take this perspective — whether accurate or not, this is what I perceived to be true — and take it into account moving forward. Like I said, I look forward to Ken’s new book. And the minute I see the Integral Institute applying itself in making some more tangible real world changes, I’ll be back in 100%.
But I remain skeptical that that will ever happen. Mainly because I remain skeptical that there’s a need for an Integral Institute at all. Ken should write. And yes, there should be some websites that provide communities for people who read his writing. Let the readers take care of the rest.
@postmasculine @RobbSmith LOL, we are in violent agreement. The first thing I asked when I was asked to become CEO of Integral Institute was: “why don’t we shut it down?” Seriously. For me II’s role was to promulgate and educate integral as an academic metatheory, and I’ve made many of the same observations and (loving) criticisms of the integral space over the past 5 years that you do above. See for example my keynote speech in 2008 at the first biennial Integral Theory Conference (I compared the total economic impact of integral globally to be less than a single busy McDonald’s in New York City, perhaps an exaggeration, but not by much).
But, and it’s an important caveat, integral metatheory is a framework that self-selects away from entrepreneurs, executives and many other practical folks who don’t have the time or luxury to worry about metatheoretical problems or life conditions. So again I would offer the friendly observation that you will only be disappointed in “integral” if you don’t pay close attention to your own projections, built off your own expectations, of it. Believe me I have heard from hundreds of people about the disillusionment they’ve felt as the stage 1 party of 2000-2005 wore off and they realized they were caught in a massive social state experience (no criticism implied, a great party indeed). But I always say that in the final analysis you’re responsible for your own experience; it didn’t live up? Who’s fault is that?
More practically, most advanced NGOs and think tanks aren’t even aware that they have metatheoretical problems, which is why we have a ways to go before it will be metabolized into our broader social systems (though it is happening, slowly). That said, there is no guarantee, and perhaps even a counter-likelihood, that Ken Wilber’s version of a broadly integrative philosophy will be the one that becomes the intellectual current of future decades. However, save for the mythic-regressive spiritualism, the bad misuse of developmental models, and the implied teleology, I largely think it will (but that’s just my view).
@RobbSmith Point taken on “whose fault is that?” Although I did voice my concerns back then (although perhaps not as virulently as I do now) and withdrew my money, as it seems, did many. You, as an entrepreneur/CEO, must know that feedback is more than verbal, and that just because people are saying a lot of good things, doesn’t mean good things are necessarily happening.
But anyway, enough of that. I am curious to see what will happen and will keep an eye on you guys and an open mind.
Just one last comment: I do agree that theoretically we’re going to end up at some form of integrative framework in the coming decades. Although, I would argue that that would happen regardless of Wilber’s input, and in fact, ironically, Wilber’s own model argues that that would happen regardless of his input.
In short, even if he doesn’t get credit, the integral revolution is coming anyway. I believe it’s technologically and consciously inevitable. All the demographics and economics point to it.
So if you’re going to have an official integral organization, then what is it’s overall purpose? Speed things along? Enact pragmatic changes itself? Or just provide a community for like-minded folks who are on the edge of the curve?
I think the pertinent question is what can I-I (and/or Integral Life) provide that a multitude of integrally informed thinkers can’t? My site and hundreds like it are already pushing more integrally informed ideas every day, whether we realize it or not. Academics are starting to find it necessary to merge fields and do crossover studies. Financial markets are based as much on psychology now as they are on data. The self help market is being dominated by books covering both scientific and spiritual approaches rather than just one or the other.
So where’s I-I’s leverage? What does it have to offer that’s unique? As far as I can tell (so far), it’s just Ken’s pen.
@RobbSmith And by the way, thanks for stopping and taking the time to chat about this. It’s been illuminating.
@postmasculine Here’s an example of something amazingly good and incredibly practical that has nothing to do with integral–a non-profit that evaluates global charities for effectiveness and makes recommendations on where to give: http://www.givewell.org/If you gave the money you’d spend on Wilber’s new book to one of Give Well’s recommended charities I’d wager you’d have done more good than buying his book.
@RobbSmith good synchronicity. just saw you on tedx which i loved and will use to offer options for grandkids…thanks for ya
peace
Excuse the mistakes (here and there, do not do the trick). Wrote with the restrictions of an iPad (which is cutting off left part of your page in horizontal view, BTW).
Very interesting article. I wrote a multi page review on his “Up from Eden: A Transpersonal View of Human Evolution” (1981) in a german newsletter and stopped afterwards following his publications. Why? Because Wilber is theoretical. It is not enough to “transcend”. You have to transcend (equals experiencing pure consciousness without thought) AND go back to work. Transcend and work. Transcend and work. By this the nervous systems learns more and more to live both states – Transcendental Consciousness on one side and the relative states of consciousness (waking, dreaming, deep sleep) – both together simultanously. By this the “animal” part of us gets more and more integrated into a personality which acts in accordance with all the laws of nature. This practice must be daily. Otherwise the nervous system has no chance to evolve. Some retreats here and there do not do the trick. Without daily practice of a proven effective technique (for example the well known Transcendental Meditation technique) the whole thing stays the intellectual mind game which is described in this article very well.
Hi Mark, you might be interested to follow an epic comment thread (over 200 posts) happening over on my FB wall, which I’ve switched to public setting. I think you’d appreciate some of the deep reflection, debate, and breakthrough communication that’s actually been happening (I know! Right?) in cyberspace. Great post overall. Please see the thread for more: https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.johnson.31392/posts/128433187330897?notif_t=comment_mention
Hi, Mark. I think you give a nice summary of some of the major ideas in integral theory. I also think the blog is nicely written. I have a few points . . .
Mark: “There is no ideology.”
My view (and I think this is Wilber’s view as well) is that there is always ideology. Emptiness and view are not-two. Even the most enlightened people have an ideology, whether they realize it or not. The question then becomes, what is the best ideology (ies)? Getting rid of all ideology is impossible and not desirable even if it were possible; we just want to have the best possible ideology (ies). This is particularly important in politics, where most political parties are mired in narrow forms of ideology, each of which has made a nice mess for everyone in its own way.
I think you’re onto an important point at the end when you say, “Wilber’s so-called “second-tier” thinking, leads to the same disastrous repercussions Wallace warned of: vanity, power, guilt, obsession.” But I think that’s best regarded as a pitfall, rather than some place integral theory inevitably leads people. It may be what happens to people right off the bat if they suddenly start thinking of themselves as better than everyone else, but I think it has resources to transform these negative characteristics as well. And most of postmodern culture hardly has it on its agenda to mitigate those things, so I think we should regard that as an improvement.
And that brings me to my main question, what I usually end up asking in discussions like this: Is integral theory an improvement on what has come before? We know it’s not perfect and that the individuals and organizations expressing it are not perfect, but asking for perfection is a little too much, I think, at this point. I think the questions we should be asking include: Is it an improvement on the ideologies already out there? Does it leave us with a more credible way forward than other existing ideologies?
Also, I’d just like to mention a few of the differences between intelligent design and integral theory since a lot of people confuse the two:
In ID, there is some kind of all-powerful Divine Being who has designed the whole unfolding and created the whole world. In IT, there is basically just some kind of evolutionary current or telos. (In some of the wisdom traditions God in second person is employed, but I think that’s a separate issue that has more to do with its utility in realizing certain states than objective truth.)
The God of ID is based purely on myth, while eros is based on rational reconstruction.
The God of ID is posited as an absolute truth, while eros is posited as a provisionary truth.
There are others, but I think you get the idea.
Great article and discussion, thanks.
It makes me remember that ‘the map is not the terrain’ and yes, Integral Theory presents a map that I regard as closer to reality than other maps.
Transcend and back to work. Transcend and back to work.. It seems like the ‘back to work’-part is missing in the movement of KW’s followers and I see in the discussion that some people would like to see it.
I can wholeheartedly recommend the work of Marshall Rosenberg, psychologist PhD, founder og Center for NonViolent Communication. Within the NVC movement, we use KW’s work as a framework for understanding how everything is interrelated and as a map of where we are going. Visit the site http://www.CNVC.org where you can find inspiration as well as scientific articles on the applications of Nonviolent Communication, or visit Miki Kashtan’s blog http://baynvc.blogspot.dk/ where she elaborates on how the principles are applied to everyday life.
The author of this article seems fully unaware that we are about to hold our third 500-person academic conference devoted specifically to the theory and application of Integral Theory (see http://www.metaintegral.org). Each conference has featured attendees and participants from over 20 countries (this year is no different) and our presenters are composed almost exclusively of professionals and academics (minus a few spiritual teacher-types) who are heavily engaged with Ken’s work or with equivalent “integral” theories. This has timed with a steady influx of professional and personal texts applying Wilber’s work to various fields – the number of books has increased significantly in the past 3 to 4 years. This is a movement effect – the signs that the movement pronounced “dead” in this article is actually just warming up (as it should be expected to be).
Just a few examples – and all this can be googled: Gilles Herrada’s book on same-sex love and relationships. It is a stunning, possibly field-shifting piece and it is framed almost entirely around Wilber’s model. I personally am co-editing a academic compendium text on Integral and diversity: the first to deal with that. It will be out next year. I previously wrote one of four existing books on Integral and psychotherapy. A compendium text on Integral and gender issues is coming out this year edited by Vanessa Fisher and Sarah Nicholson. There exist texts on Integral and ecology, community development, business, and relationships. Many more on many subjects are on their way, both lay and academic in nature.
So, what to say: First, anecdotal evidence is weak. The author’s personal experience is limited and clearly he has not been paying much attention to what might be happening outside the context of his (very) narrow perspective. Second, a terribly common and unfortunate thought-distortion of our culture (or our world epoch, I don’t know) is this idea that a movement is created and can be pronounced upon in a 10-year period – or in any short period – as if 10 years were not a miniscule blip in human cultural history. This author has read Wilber, so he must know: the shifts in human consciousness Wilber has written about have taken decades or more often hundreds of years to become established, and even then the penetration is always partial. Modernity, for example, started essentially in the 18th century and is STILL struggling to become fully a part of our society and has hardly sprouted in others (i.e., the middle east). Think about something like the separation of church and state in America or gay rights or the continuing reality of human slavery in many cultures. But ten years after those authors started writing modern ideas down, would anyone have been able to pronounce its success of failure? Ridiculous. Modernity has clear won a lot of victories and is still going.
If Wilber is correct – and by the way, Wilber is hardly the one only pointing out the need for or emergence of an “integral” age; that idea is all over the place – then we should expect to see a slow build, with inevitable bumps and regressions, but with an overall trajectory over years and decades. I say that is exactly what we are seeing. If Wilber has called this age imminent, and he is wrong in the short term, that is just his opinion. But one opinion about timing doesn’t say anything definitively about a movement. I say it’s decades.
Mark Forman, PhD
Co-Organizer
Integral Theory Conference
MetaIntegral Foundation
@mdaf30 I agree the idea is “all over the place” my main gripe is with Wilber’s actual usage of his organization.
This conference sounds awesome. Yet somehow, despite being the exact demographic you’d be looking for to attend this, I never heard of it until now. I’m not bashing you, necessarily. I’m just saying, as someone who followed Ken for +/- 10 years, and in preparation for this article did a lot of googling and researching, never came across this conference or anything like it (save for spirituality conference he did a couple years).
Please note that this post is a critique of Wilber himself, and not necessarily the people and communities inspired by his work.
@mdaf30 It is called “The Rise and Fall of Ken Wilber” after all. And not “The Rise and Fall of Integral”
Integral ideas are alive and better than ever. I realize this and am excited about it (as well as trying to spread them myself).
The creation of integral modalities is the minds attempt to co-opt what awareness has already accomplished, namely integration. Much ado about nothing. However well intentioned it’s more illusion, as long as its an edifice of the intellect. The entirety of this integral charade is the mind saying, “hey guys..guys!? there’s a place in this enlightened society for me right?” What if Tolle is right and the next step in evolution and the only way to save the planet from the compounded amplification of mind is to rise above compulsive thinking as a way of being? Back to my Bukowski now. A more important philosopher.
Thanks for the thoughts on Wilber. I have grown significantly by his writings and recognize several of your quotes.
I do like “earthlings” better than “evolutionaries”, too much ego to the latter. Someone kept reminding me that you need to be very small to experience the large. And perhaps you are really just giving a perfect explanation for why each of us must die after having lived. Life needs to free space for new ideas and experiences and unfolding. As antidote to the ideas of spiritual evolution I will recommend Steven Jay Gould, not consciously spiritual, but a brilliant writer and intuitive scientist he was.
[...] needs is an exercise I actually learned at an Integral workshop put on by the people who work for Ken Wilber. In the workshop, they referred to it as the “1-2-3 Shadow Exercise”, which is a fancy [...]
I join the long list of people who was totally inspired by KW and whose life has been immeasurably enriched, but every now and then something didn’t feel right. I guess in deciding to follow the commercial route rather than the academic or whatever, it necessarily changed things. II had to make money and had to promote itself as the next best thing to sliced bread. I share the same feeling that there is a lot of self congratualtory “we 2nd tier people” and that the measure of how progressive an idea is is how well it fits into KW’s ideas or receives and endorsement from KW or II.
There is plenty of Integral stuff out there that has little or nothing to do with KW. I too think an integral perspective will eventually become more and more accepted, but wonder whether KW and II will continue to be a part of or just become an historic artefact. It is a tall order, especially for someone with poor health, but it appears to be sometime since something significant and innovative came from Integral.
Having said all that I take on board all the comments about allowing people to be frail humans and the dangers of making people into heroes (love the “kill your heroes’).I find myself drawn more and more
to people like Krishnamurti (keeping his failings in mind) Don’t get caught up in institutions and all the social crap we get restricted by, (the money the career etc etc) just work on the source of suffering. I also find myself drawn to groups that don’t have traditional leadership structures where people fall into the traps of being leaders or followers, neither of which seem to work well. I think new more egalitarian ways of organising ourselves in a part of Integral that has not been looked at. They just fell into old ways of doing things.
Praise first:
Ken changed my life. Me = former Paratrooper and combat vet (invasion of Panama, first Gulf War). Joined for socioeconomic reasons at 17, left for obvious reasons at 23. Military gave me: (1)Enhanced agency and pragmatism, (2) Psychological trauma and QUESTIONS, and, (3) momentum without direction. This led to degrees in philosophy (Western/Continetal focus) and psychology (with a focus on experimentation including running a lab that did Morris Water Maze experiments – which I left because I could no longer stomach killing anything, including rats). I had been aware of Wilber’s work but, at the time, it was considered to be sub-academic (I believe this was due in part to the dialectical nature of some of his writing – many in academia confuse linguistic convolution with profundity). Long Story —> short: ended up reading Ken and spending about 6 years pouring over his work. I won’t go into his work because most here seem to be well versed as well. Needless to say, his post modern map allowed me to integrate what I already knew, into a relational system instead of chunks of disparate facts about myself and reality.
Critique (?)
Not so much a critique as an observation. It seems to me that we name things in order to perfect our actions (make maps for better routes). To identify something as _____ , is to implicitly prescribe action. Historically, many who have mapped out areas, spend most of their energy on the map and less rigor on the prescribed action(s). Marx comes to mind (his critique of capitalism is far superior to his prescription for what to do about it). I’m trying to keep this short, so forgive me if you feel that my arguments lack sufficient support ( I would be more than happy to have a more in-depth discussion but I’m trying to avoid “TL;DR”). Perhaps this is because identifying something is also a critique of what it is not, and therefore, the prescription is seen as obvious. I think many of us would agree that this is problematic. I am of the belief that what should be done, after the nature of something has been illuminated, is highly subjective. Therefore, the nature of action should be elucidated, not what that action should be. I have thought about this for many years (including about a year of disengagement with the world trying to sort through this). To boil my argument down: the questions should be, WHAT IS ____ and then HOW TO ____, instead of WHAT IS ____ and then WHAT TO ____ .
Then again, I have been wrong more often then I have been right.
“And a number of people caught on to his shockingly meek understanding of evolutionary biology and his puzzling insinuations of intelligent design.”
Well put. I just learned of that meek understanding myself last month while seriously studying evolution for the first time – after years of buying into Ken’s explanation of how evolution occurred. Whenever I criticize his material I also must add, as many others have, that while Ken & his work are not flawless, they’ve have a significant positive effect on my life.
nice viewpoint.
i just have to say though, that it would be nice to have someone at wilbers level of realization criticize him.
but then again, people at THAT level do not actually critisize do they? they synthesize.
and why would that be? because at THAT level, you do not see your shadows when you read a conceptual idea, i imagine.
just like now for example. you may take my reply as a nice thing to think about yourself, or as an attack of some sort. dunno.
and guys, really, if you have read his work, and are doing some spiritual work, or at least have read about this stuff, then you would be able to see quite clearly, believe me, that someone cannot reach that level of understanding, without having overcome something so basic as pride. i mean, really? desire for control??
you can watch a video on youtube of him, in mute, and see that he is pure love and light. oh well, and so the story goes… fire away… this is how societies evolve after all… ok. bye : )
Ugh, blind guru-worship.
Criticism IS synthesis.
ok…
let us see:
what YOU saw: blind-guru worship
how I feel: ken is pure love and light as am I and YOU and everyone
now, have I owned this? am I at that level? or is this thing i am saying something i get conceptually?
that my friend is up to you to decide.
and what YOU decide makes the whole difference.
i’m not gonna analylise the critisism part.