(05-06-2012 09:37 PM)Mace Wrote: (05-06-2012 05:37 PM)Mark Wrote: My "inner game" did not get good until I left the community. I *thought* I was confident when I was successful at PUA, but in hindsight I was just covering up my issues with pussy. My girlfriend did as much for my self esteem and confidence by herself as my first 50 lays.
Let's not forget that Mystery tried to kill himself (twice), Sinn tried to kill himself, and Gunwitch shot a woman in the face.
That's because you and the guys you mentioned became way too immersed into the PUA lifestyle. Spending 5 nights a week in nightclubs would be toxic to anyone's psyche. As with any pursuit, moderation is key. But to use your experience and that of a handful of others who chose to make this a living to dismiss PUA tactics and techniques outright is fallacious. For every guy like you, there are many once hopeless guys whose romantic lives have improved markedly and directly as a result of PUA (including myself).
Mace, it depends on what you want. If all you want is to fuck, PUA is great. But most guys in the community are looking for intimacy. They buy into the idea of being a mad player because the community tells them so. But they'd be perfectly content having a nice steady girlfriend. So yes, PUA techniques work to fuck girls (though they take a hell a lot more effort than one should actually expend). But they don't really solve most guys' core needs of emotional intimacy. In fact, it espouses an unreal ideal of being an alpha guy who needs to fuck a ton of chicks to prove his masculinity.
The reason the guys above tried to kill themselves is due to the world view that PUA encourages. It encourages manipulation, tricks and tactics to snag a girl and coerce her into bed. This makes relationships seems empty and more of a power struggle than true, authentic connection. Any meaningful relationship is more than sex. After your 15 minutes of sex (more like 5 hours for me
), if you have nothing to exchange with your partner, life seems pretty empty. Atleast it does to most people. Some people may be perfectly fine with that and that's great. But most people need to feel loved, need a friend that they can bare their innermost feeling to. And a great girl provides you that.
Also, The kind of girls these kind of techniques work on are usually LSE girls. If some girl negged me, I would never try to prove myself. I'd just be like fuck off bitch. Why? Because I don't need any random girl to validate me. The same applies to high self esteem girls.
I admire your desire to learn things by yourself. That is a great attitude to have. But perhaps you'll realize the lessons that people who have trod the path before you have learnt.
