Quote:Mark, three questions with respect to your day game cold approach tactics:
(1) How long are your initial interactions generally, and how old are the girls you approach?
(2) What's your approach to date to lay ratio?
(3) Since you mention you travel extensively, where do you run your day game? Do you have more success overseas or at home with American girls in America?
A local guy approaching local girls will always have more of a challenge than
(i) a foreign guy approaching local girls, or
(ii) a local guy approaching foreign girls/tourists.
In (i) you're leveraging the cachet of being a novelty. In (ii) you're capitalizing on girls who are in all likelihood new to the country or on vacation, and don't have firmly established social circles. These factors make it significantly easier for the day game player to game, date, and lay these girls. This is why the vast majority of day game videos you find involve foreign girls.
1) Anywhere from a few minutes to 10 or 15 minutes. Usually. I don't really know honestly. Depends where I am. Ages are anywhere from 20 to 30.
2) I have no idea. I stopped caring about stuff like this a long time ago. I don't see hitting on girls as something that requires effort or is work, so I don't keep track of efficiency. This is like asking me what my practice/song ratio is on guitar. Who fucking cares? I like playing guitar.
3) Usually in coffee shops, parks, outdoor events... I don't know... I'm more of a night game guy. I'm usually too busy during the day or focused on something else to be bothered to approach. When I approach during the day it's usually in a more social environment like a park, or cafe or something like that. That's just my preference. I never really enjoyed the whole chase-her-down-the-street thing.
It depends on the country, some are easier, some are harder. But I find getting laid in the US to be extremely easy. Like LOL easy at times. No language barrier and 90% of the guys are nervous wrecks, so it's easy to look confident in comparison. Most American guys don't talk about anything interesting, so for me it's just a matter of finding an open-minded and cultured girl. They're usually starved for guys who have something interesting to talk about. I don't mean to sound like a pompous dick. I've been working on myself non-stop for 7+ years now to get to this place. But yes, the US feels very easy compared to many countries I go to.
Your theory about foreign guys and foreign tourists is correct and incorrect, depending on the girl and the situation. There are clear times where being a foreigner or talking to a foreigner is a major disadvantage and times where it's a major advantage. It's more polarizing, your rejections will be quicker and harsher and your successes will be quicker and greater. This absolutely plays into my high consistency. If a girl liked me, there's rarely a shadow of a doubt that I won't see her again.
Quote:I've been flaked by girls with whom I've had 2 hour+ instant dates with off cold approach. I also just banged a girl with whom my initial interaction was probably 8 minutes at the most, and where I did most of my gaming over text and phone. What does that tell you? Now did I wish I had spent those 2 hours approaching more girls?
This tells me that your game isn't very solid in person, and so you rely on a weaker form of communication to get her invested in you. It's a crutch. Let me just put it this way:
Let's say a guy reaches the point where he can get a lot of numbers, but almost all of them flake. He has two options:
1) Learn really good "phone/text" game so that they don't flake anymore.
2) Get better at the initial interaction, work on himself, become a more attractive person.
Option 1 will require learning and practicing a whole new subset of skills and techniques. Now instead of worrying about doing the initial interaction well, he needs to worry about the initial interaction, solid phone/text game and then continuing to game her well on the date until he has sex with her. Chances are, since he spent so much time "gaming her," that it will be harder for a legitimate emotional connection to develop and if he ever starts to really like one of these girls, he will then have to start worrying about more "games," MLTR/FB game, date game, even relationship game, etc.
Option 2 will probably require more effort in the short run, but it will pay off more in the long run. If he develops himself and his identity to a high level, becomes extremely confident and non-needy, he will naturally make a very strong impact on women he meets who are compatible with him. He'll have very strong and meaningful conversations with them quickly and make a great impression. He won't ever have to worry about text/phone game, because the girls will just naturally want to see him so much. He won't have to worry about dates or end game or whatever, because she'll be so excited to hang out with him and go home with him he won't ever have to "game" her beyond the first minute or two. Transitioning into any type of relationship will be natural and seamless because they've already developed so much chemistry.
I went through Option 1. 2005 thru 2008, all I did was post threads like this and obsess over "phone game" and "date game" and all that stuff. Yeah, I got laid a lot. And it was exciting at first. But the effort/reward was not very high. It did not produce very high quality interactions or experiences. The relationships that emerged from them were not exciting or interesting, it was just sex. Which is cool, there's nothing wrong with sex. But there are a lot of ways to get laid that don't require so much mental effort.
Anyway, do what works for you. If you're happy right now with your results and you're getting laid, then that's cool. I imagine too that being a college guy on a college campus requires certain things that a lot of us don't deal with normally. Just realize that just because you've gotten something to work for you that it's not the best way for everyone else or that it's even the best way for you. There could be better ways out there that you're unaware of.
I think eventually, at some point, like most people, you're going to get sick of games and techniques. You're going to get sick of all of the pointless mental masturbation, and you'll likely want to construct an awesome identity and lifestyle for yourself, learn to become genuinely confident and shameless around women, and decide that you're a better man than needing to "game" a girl to get laid. That you deserve women without having to "game" them. When that day comes, I'll still be here. But until then, don't be surprised if the mental masturbation threads like this one aren't very popular.