Matty Wrote:Isn't it ironic that a system based on the idea of being confident and relaxed actually makes you self-concious and awkward. I had a similar experience, although I remained too skeptical to fully jump on the RSD bandwagon. And thankfully I never tried the claw! When it comes to woman, i've started to take an Occam's Razor approach, and I find that usually the simplest thing to do or say is usually the one you should go with. My biggest challenge is really to turn my fucking brain off when talking to woman, and reading a shit ton of inner game theory is extremely counter productive. That's what I like about Mark's ideas, because a.) he's not a misogynist, overcompensating douchebag like a lot of the RSD instructors, and b.) he really just keeps it simple. After years of reading all this pickup shit, I think he was the first guy I ever heard who said that all you really had to do was relax, go up and say "hi", rather than the RSD "step up like a bomb going off", which really just puts huge pressure on you.
Hi man. Yeah I think the idea has 100% truth in it, I mean, duh! Ofcourse girls respond better when you are confident and relaxed, enjoying yourself! But, I really think RSD do a shit job teaching it, they're saying you should be confident and relaxed, but they way they are teaching the concepts to you are fucked up. They say shit like state is the key, then 1 week after you have another instructor saying state is bullshit, then in another article you see Tyler writing about state again. I actually start to believe they do that on purpose to keep their students slightly confused and from a marketing standpoint it seems to work out pretty fucking good, I mean, they suck people in making them become fanboys very effecetively.
I dont think theres no company out there that are as damaging as RSD. I mean, with love systems and venusian arts you might get a little bit weird if youre totally fucked up from the get go and doesnt take the advice with a grain of salt, I mean, you could be a social robot running around asking girls opinion all night or whatever, but thats pretty easy to get by. With RSD, you essentialy alot of times have to change your whole psychology, you have to learn new concepts, alot of concepts which you probably already know of if u have studied even a grain of salt of psychology or eastern philosophy or self help but with different names this time. You get the mindset you have to "change your whole personality" AKA deep identity level change, you think you have to be in a super good state all the time, so on and so forth.
Another thing that really opened my eyes were when I got some more understanding about how Tyler is teaching the blueprint, this is quoted from some psychology-dude who saw the program:
Random person wrote: actually he said there 'trust your own judgment, be your own guru, stop looking up to others'.
Psych dude answer: he also said you should always be thinking for yourself. it's all an illusion of control, really.
it's easy for him to say that, but 14 hours into a deeply immersive seminar the only things you're comparing new concepts to are the other new ones you just 'learned' since the beginning (and are equally unverified)
from Combatting Cult Mind Control:
To ready a person for a radical change, his reality must first be shaken up. His indoctrinators must disorient him. His frames of reference for understanding himself and his surroundings must be challenged and broken down. Upsetting his view of reality disarms his natural defenses against concepts that challenge his reality.
then, after the blueprint is over you're left more confused about the world than ever before, looking to RSD and tyler for guidance (you're not going to get it from anyone in the 'real' world, because they don't understand this 'new knowledge' anyway) all the while actually believing this situation is a good thing.
there are logical and explainable mechanisms behind RSD and why it works (and subsequently goes off in your head like a bomb).
Then another quote from the same guy:
Psych dude: It's pretty scary, one of the cultiest things Tyler did in the blueprint was the first break they took in the seminar:
Quote:Let's slow it down, now when we go on this break, i'm gonna teach you guys a trick. It's a very important trick. Have you guys ever heard of the grey zone? On one level you have plugged in, focused, working, in the zone, focused. On the other hand you have unplugged, and relaxing. The grey zone is when you're half in one half in the other. You guys might wanna start going out and start talking about game and pickup and all this... why don't you guys go out and socialize and just talk about whatever. Just chat. Because you wanna know the truth? That's a lot closer to what pickup really is than talking about tactics.
On one hand, sure, he has a point. The concept itself isn't the problem, but how he's using it in the seminar is.
Essentially, he's just laid the foundation for RSD (this break was about 1-2 hours in) and everyone was about to walk outside and socialize with each other for the first time. You can imagine what the discussion was like "Oh blah blah blah basketball (lolol this grey zone thing is fucking cool lol) blah blah oh that's cool dude"
Now could you imagine what have went down without it? Any of Tyler's concepts would have been open to be shot down. "I don't get it.. where's he going with this social conditioning nonsense? This guy's retarded, what does any of this have to do with pickup? blah blah blah"
Even just the slightest doubt could have propagated throughout the whole group, leaving the success of the internalization pretty much up for grabs, and people could have walked away thinking RSD was just some other pseudoscientific garbage program.
But in grey zone, anyone even briefly mentioning the program could have easily been labeled as a dumbass 'chode', and expressed doubts could be chalked up to 'just not fully understanding it yet'
You see? All their programs are filled with shit like that. Ever noticed how in every RSD seminar the instructor tries to get compliance from you, very often from the start? Like in flawless natural, tim says "I want everyone to stand up and say YES!!". Or Tyler 20000 times in blueprint makes the guys shout "feel good!". Or in almost ALL videos Ive seen with RSD, free tour videos or seminars the instructors are ALWAYS asking the audience questions, engaging them, now thats all fine I guess, but RSD are doing this to make them compliant and "suck them in".
They're all about making the students get good feelings so they rationalise it as "being an awesome program/seminar/weekend", despite of many times bad practical advice. Just take a look at random comments from their videos they put up now and then, or articles, their mindcontrol in action:
"second video was the best shit ive ever watched IN MY LIFE. back to my todo-list which involves joining the lair tonight and going out. whadup"
"HOLY SHIT, TYLER. That story's fucked up haha. All of that video was awesome though."
"I loved the 2 video ! It was like a deja-vu, it was like watching FIGHT CLUB 2 lol !!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Owen aka Tyler"
"The second video made me realise I'm at a level that is too low, that I'm an ant right now, and it's a kind of nice realisation actually, it feels good, some weight lifted off my shoulder"
"just had to pause the second video to post this. i literally said: 'fuck this dude is amazing' "
"WOW THIS IS THE BEST THING IVE READ IN MY LIFE! My inner core literally went BAAM! btw could you elaborate on the concept of extreme congruence vs incongruent pua-behaviour?"
Thats the result of RSDs brainwashing. You also see students post shit like this, rationalising their fucked up behaviours:
Pulled the hottest chick I ever talked to. She looks like Jesica Alba. Powerhouse took the fat friend. We go to their place. Powerhouse is fucking the friend. My girl gives me LMR. She won't take dress off. She would only pull it up to her stomach. She won't take panties off. I finger her threw her panties. She comes. I try to push farther, she doesnt let me. I take a step back. Go back in.
an hour and a half later and she still has her dress on and her panties on. FUCK THIS ....... She falls asleep. Like, she is snoring asleep. I just jacked off on her sheet to prevent blue balls. Me and powerhouse went threw their wallets and took their money. Give me LMR bitch? I'm gonna mug you.
We leave the room and counted the money in the hallway. Ha! Its $120. We walk towards the exit and realized that they have free continental breakfast here. We sit down and eat breakfast. Then we leave.
I realized that I'm gonna do this Fuck'n Mug more often now. Its fucking genius.
So yeah, theres alot of shit going on there which you dont see before uve actually "broken free from the net".