(03-17-2012 07:05 PM)Zac Wrote:  I don't think they are strictly avoided. I believe they do happen and that's OK. I think the main change is that they are not your goal or primary reason for making love. I'm still learning but I'm really enjoying what I learn so far. My girlfriend likes it a lot too. This book is really interesting and I look forward to finishing it. I'd definitely recommend it so far. I don't know if it's completely scientifically accurate but it seems to make sense to me.

(03-17-2012 11:00 PM)Mark Wrote:  Guy 1: "Hey dude, how'd it go with that chick last night?"
Guy 2: "Dude, I fertilized the shit out of her. Like 3 times too."
*high five*

(03-18-2012 11:08 PM)dr. love Wrote:  Some time ago two of my (pua) friends actually aimed at becoming a father from a one night stand. They had holes in their condoms in case the girl would demand the use of contraception. The other one of them told me back then: "Think about how relieved you'll be when you've become a father. It wouldn't matter that much if you died today since your genes would live on." Their rationalization was something like "if this is all about survival & replication, why not go all the way"

Both of them were still studying at the time, but they said they'd pay for the custody happily too

(03-18-2012 08:53 PM)Chaos Wrote:  That's why condoms were invented... I have the genes of a nonfertilizer

Quote:Some time ago two of my (pua) friends actually aimed at becoming a father from a one night stand. They had holes in their condoms in case the girl would demand the use of contraception. The other one of them told me back then: "Think about how relieved you'll be when you've become a father. It wouldn't matter that much if you died today since your genes would live on." Their rationalization was something like "if this is all about survival & replication, why not go all the way"

(03-18-2012 11:08 PM)dr. love Wrote:  Some time ago two of my (pua) friends actually aimed at becoming a father from a one night stand. They had holes in their condoms in case the girl would demand the use of contraception. The other one of them told me back then: "Think about how relieved you'll be when you've become a father. It wouldn't matter that much if you died today since your genes would live on." Their rationalization was something like "if this is all about survival & replication, why not go all the way"

Both of them were still studying at the time, but they said they'd pay for the custody happily too

(03-31-2012 04:08 PM)Zac Wrote:  Thank you for your response. You've been posting some great stuff.

Our bodys urge us to engage in "fertilzation driven" sexual behavior. Our reward centers (I think you call them that) are specifically programmed to reward this behavior as much as possible.

The book says the problem lies in the fact that what our reward centers want and what is best for our relationships aren't always the same thing.

The book says that less frequent fertilization behavior and more frequent bonding lead to closer connections and more intimate sexual experiences.

I really like this book so far and would recommend it to anyone, especially if you are in a relationship.

Quote:I'm not planning on having kids right now or maybe ever, but one of the most intense orgasms I've ever had was when I was with a woman I loved so much that I wanted her to be the mother of my child. The thought literally came out of nowhere, but it infused so much emotion and energy into our lovemaking that ever since I've never viewed sex the same.

I'm not trying to come off as some hippy or something, but there are some strong primal forces involved with desire and creation... thing is I never told her I had felt that, because I was scared. But I know she felt how deep I cared for her.

Emotional connection is so important to me now, in fact orgasm comes second to it.

Quote:I believe Dan Rose in Sex God Method (ebook) says that dirty talk about getting her pregnant can be extremely powerful to a woman. And that it should be used with caution because she might end up actually wanting your babies. I have not tried that one yet myself.

(03-31-2012 04:08 PM)Zac Wrote:  Thank you for your response. You've been posting some great stuff.

Our bodys urge us to engage in "fertilzation driven" sexual behavior. Our reward centers (I think you call them that) are specifically programmed to reward this behavior as much as possible.

The book says the problem lies in the fact that what our reward centers want and what is best for our relationships aren't always the same thing.

The book says that less frequent fertilization behavior and more frequent bonding lead to closer connections and more intimate sexual experiences.

I really like this book so far and would recommend it to anyone, especially if you are in a relationship.

(03-31-2012 05:20 PM)Halo Effect Wrote:  I believe Dan Rose in Sex God Method (ebook) says that dirty talk about getting her pregnant can be extremely powerful to a woman. And that it should be used with caution because she might end up actually wanting your babies. I have not tried that one yet myself.

(03-31-2012 05:30 PM)Mark Wrote:  And Dan Rose has a baby-mama... coincidence? Probably not, hahaha...

But yeah, I'll pass on that. With that said, I fertilized the shit out of my Brazilian GF last night... (it still cracks me up to say this).

(04-02-2012 01:08 PM)Zac Wrote:  I think seperating these things into catergories is a mistake.

The point being made in the book is that if you continue to have orgasm after orgasm with a partner over and over and over again you have an evolutionary process that makes you want to leave that person. It can cause resentment and all sorts of other issues in your relationship. Having sex this way puts you into "cycles" and everyone's is different. Some people take years, a year, a day, or a week. You lose interest after a while.

This is not "healthy" sexual practice according to the book. Apparently most of us are dopamine addicts that care more about getting that next spike than what is best for our relationships and our own personal mental health in the long run. People who practice Karezza tend to be more stable because their brain chemistry isn't fluctuating off the charts, or so the book says.

Not orgasming all the time and instead focusing on the bonding aspects of lovemaking rather than your evolutionary end goal of a "fertilizing" orgasm. It all still feels good and you actually feel very satisfied when you get in a good rhythm. I have yet to really find the groove I've wanted. This strengthens the bond.

It doesn't say not to orgasm mind you but it does say to do it less. Of course whenever you do anything with your woman you want to rock her world. If that anything is simply lying next to each other an a scissor position just resting against each other, do it like it's the last day of the fucking world and you want to do it as well as possible.

@crazyhorse I JUST joined the forum today. Could you link here to your post? I rea