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The No-More-Porn Thread - freiheitlich - 03-03-2012 05:53 PM
The Danger of No Masturbation
Hello friends,
be carefull, if you do not masturbate, that can lead to a state of desperation if you approach girls. I get this State if I do not masturbation every 3th day
The No-More-Porn Thread - crazyhorse - 03-04-2012 02:25 PM
TheAnimal Wrote:Day 45- Relapse
Well, I wasn't even horny, because actually I never was really horny for these 45 days. It also has surprised me. And now I am curious how much this has harmed my reboot. Since I haven't had benefits again for about 25+ days my motivation sank more and more and today I orgasmed. People say that you will experience a chaser effect ( stronger than usual right?) and after this things will continue like before. I somehow don't feel depressed yet, at least not directly through this orgasm. It is more because I wanted to continue longer but since I didn't have benefits I actually can't be angry at myself. Because of the lack of benefits I became progressively lazier I have more often M. and also F. Now the orgasm is 1 hour ago and I just don't know how I feel , can't describe it.
Animal if you can just leave the porn along, you'll do fine. Did you relapsed with porn? If so, just move on, you've already made it this far.
The reason that you should leave the porn along (if you were addicted or affected by it), is because you still have very strong porn pathways in your brain. It doesn't take that much stimuli to reactivate this part.
freiheitlich Wrote:The Danger of No Masturbation
Hello friends,
be carefull, if you do not masturbate, that can lead to a state of desperation if you approach girls. I get this State if I do not masturbation every 3th day
God you again.....
I think people can make up their own minds as to how many times it's necessary. The goal here, isn't to become some munk, it's just designed to reset your brain to it's normal dopamine sensitivity.
The No-More-Porn Thread - TheAnimal - 03-04-2012 06:30 PM
Crazyhorse,
I have relapsed with porn fantasy, But I did not watch any. For several weeks I've had no desire to porn or to real women. The thing is it wasn't my intetion to orgasm. Like I said, since I had not my benefits I became more lazier and yesterday I was masturbating and then the surprise came. So it was NOT the hornyness, it was not like " fuck real women I want porn" it was more of boredum the situation escalated and suprisingly I also orgasmed. This is why I hate the situation actually, not because of the orgasm itself.
Somehow, I feel forced now to do my reboot more strict: No picture of women at all, not looking more at women than necessary in real life and I also try to reduce my internet use. I even think that today in the morning ( so 1day after relapse) my skin got slightly better. At least nothing is worse: I've not more fantasies than usual in reboot, not a bigger hornyness for porn, my skin didn't got worse ( same, or maybe even better) etc.
I really don't want to come back to porn ever, so doing several months without porn won't be the problem. Only the avoiding of masturbating or just fantasy about porn is everyday a hard, new task.( avoiding to watch is easy)
It's some weeks ago that my desire for porn , especially my (harmful) fetish) has decreased but on the other hand the healthy desire for real women didn't increase. I still don't want to socizalise, still women apathy etc. I thought connecting with real women would be only clever if I'm ready to this, which means when my apathy disappear.
I really don't know if it is a good idea to talk to women at all, because if they are pretty I would be just thinking of weird thoughts like porn. When you have your good days in the reboot, you are not concentrated on sex or sth. only on the moment with the girls. And since these good days (benefits) didn't came back I should not do this, should I ? I think this is also the reason for the apathy or fear of women, because you are concentrated more on porn than of just enjoying them. But don't misunderstand that I've much less porn thoughts, but like I said the apathy is still a problem.
The No-More-Porn Thread - crazyhorse - 03-04-2012 06:54 PM
TheAnimal Wrote:Crazyhorse,
I have relapsed with porn fantasy, But I did not watch any. For several weeks I've had no desire to porn or to real women. The thing is it wasn't my intetion to orgasm. Like I said, since I had not my benefits I became more lazier and yesterday I was masturbating and then the surprise came. So it was NOT the hornyness, it was not like " fuck real women I want porn" it was more of boredum the situation escalated and suprisingly I also orgasmed. This is why I hate the situation actually, not because of the orgasm itself.
Somehow, I feel forced now to do my reboot more strict: No picture of women at all, not looking more at women than necessary in real life and I also try to reduce my internet use. I even think that today in the morning ( so 1day after relapse) my skin got slightly better. At least nothing is worse: I've not more fantasies than usual in reboot, not a bigger hornyness for porn, my skin didn't got worse ( same, or maybe even better) etc.
I really don't want to come back to porn ever, so doing several months without porn won't be the problem. Only the avoiding of masturbating or just fantasy about porn is everyday a hard, new task.( avoiding to watch is easy)
It's some weeks ago that my desire for porn , especially my (harmful) fetish) has decreased but on the other hand the healthy desire for real women didn't increase. I still don't want to socizalise, still women apathy etc. I thought connecting with real women would be only clever if I'm ready to this, which means when my apathy disappear.
I really don't know if it is a good idea to talk to women at all, because if they are pretty I would be just thinking of weird thoughts like porn. When you have your good days in the reboot, you are not concentrated on sex or sth. only on the moment with the girls. And since these good days (benefits) didn't came back I should not do this, should I ? I think this is also the reason for the apathy or fear of women, because you are concentrated more on porn than of just enjoying them. But don't misunderstand that I've much less porn thoughts, but like I said the apathy is still a problem.
Animal
it's not that difficult, you replace your former addiction with something else. Preferably something that is more healthy in the long run. So stop referring to "avoiding real life women". Why would you even do that? You might as well join a monastery..... Just go out and talk to these women, how can you can be so sure that you're going to have porn thoughts when you're interacting with them, if you arn't interacting with them? You don't even have to do cold approaches, go to social circle event. Just be outisde.
awnser these questions:
- How long did your porn sessions lasted? How often did they last?
- Has your porn use ever escalated (meaning gay & tranny porn)?
...
My guess is, that you're still in a flatline phase. These can last really long, depending upon the severity of the porn usage. The relapse was a little setback, now pick yourself up again and move on. We've all been there...
Look it's not like all of a sudden you drop porn and BOOM "magic happens", you need to be proactive about this. With that I mean, that you should replace your former addiction with socializing, flirting etc. Think about it like this: you are going to have to give this up anyways, so you have time on your hands. Time is all you've got by the way, so you might as well be very zen about it.
I can't life your life, you have to do that yourself.
That's all I can say.
The No-More-Porn Thread - playmaker001 - 03-04-2012 07:32 PM
@ crazyhorse
What about your stamina and lasting long in the bedroom if you're not tugging it? Or do you tug it before a date just to make sure..
The No-More-Porn Thread - crazyhorse - 03-04-2012 11:47 PM
playmaker001 Wrote:@ crazyhorse
What about your stamina and lasting long in the bedroom if you're not tugging it? Or do you tug it before a date just to make sure..
Hey Playmaker
yeah I somehow missed your question.
For me personally the increased sensitivity was definetlly a good thing. I remember that I couldn't enjoy oral sex and vaginas didn't feel that special.
So yeah... On the other hand, I havn't yet had sex after porn and cutting masturbation. Keep in mind that there is a huge difference between masturbation and sex with a girl.
I'll keep you guys updated on my situation, cause I'm real eager to fuck a girl now.
The No-More-Porn Thread - crazyhorse - 03-04-2012 11:56 PM
I would also like to add that leaving masturbation & orgasm alone, is just nothing but a tool to speed things up.
Porn can desentize your reward system in your brain, this will lead to less fulfillment from everyday activities such as studying, setting a goal, chasing after girls. If you leave every form of sexual stimuli aside for a while, you return to your normal dopamine sensitivity a whole lot quicker.
The No-More-Porn Thread - NakedAndFamous - 03-05-2012 05:30 PM
playmaker001 Wrote:@ crazyhorse
What about your stamina and lasting long in the bedroom if you're not tugging it? Or do you tug it before a date just to make sure..
You just can't tell how your body will react if you tug it before a date if you're in this special reboot situation..
Well here's my experience:
Im in my early twenties, so i grew up with Internet Porn. I think thats the reason my reboot takes so long, because i've already started the challenge on december last year (last time i watched porn was on January 17th, since then only occasional m & o). And well, while i certainly did improve my results with women(apart from other positive benefits like deeper voice, more productivity and confidence) during that time, there were also some sucky experiences.
After sometime, i started getting morning wood again and felt pretty good, so i thought i was fully rebooted. And i took things forward with a girl i've dated for 3 weeks. I was horny as hell, but i've only got like a 80% boner when it was on. Which obviously sucked quite a bit ... still was able to get off after she laid her hand on.. all in all, not one of my proudest performances
Made me pretty frustrated at first, but hell, there's no denying im doing a good thing to myself, so i can live with those setbacks. But i still hope it won't take to long anymore.I would just be careful with dating while you're rebooting. I think the best way to deal with this is to share it with the girl (Which i didn't and made things awkward, but i just didn't feel like opening up that much to a girl that wasn't girlfriendmaterial) or to concentrate on other things until your fully rebooted.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - Davey - 03-07-2012 01:11 AM
Well, I'm on Day 28 now. No porn and no masturbation. I've only gotten off once, and that was a couple weeks ago when I got that fantastic blowjob from the female friend of mine. I've noticed my sex drive has absolutely skyrocketed over the past month, whereas before it was definitely lower than average. Having sexual dreams almost every night and morning wood quite regularly. Experienced a 'dead dick' phase for a week or so, where it seemed like my genitals had shrunk, but the size has returned now. Almost had a couple of relapses, but I'm hangin' in there strong. Looking forward to being able to watch porn again on Thursday, but I don't plan on making it a regular part of my life from now on. The benefits of the reboot have been obvious.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - Zac - 03-09-2012 03:04 AM
I'm going to start this today. I definitely have an addiction to porn. Lately I've been thinking more and more about how bad of a problem it has become.
I have a really cute girlfriend. I find myself jerking off to porn sometimes on days I know I will see her just because I want to watch it so badly. This makes it so that I can't always have sex 1/2/3 times that day if she ends up wanting to. Sometimes this frustrates her. My sex drive is way lower with her than it should be even though I think she is really good looking and great in bed and I like her very much. It's like a damn shame and I know what the problem is but don't try and fix it.
This frustrates me for a few reasons. The first is that I don't fully understand why I MUST watch this stuff all the time. The second is I'll be having amazing sex with my amazing girlfriend and I can't cum and that just seems so unnatural to me. I'm jerking off to these videos instead of enjoying real sex.
Looking back I've always relied heavily on internet videos for pleasure. I want to cut the crap. Thanks for the inspiration guys.
60 days no porn. I just got like 4 hours a week back. That's sad to type.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - Zac - 03-09-2012 03:59 PM
It's the first day and I already find this really hard to do. My girlfriend had to study for 2 midterms last night and we were up late. We woke up at 6 so she could study and I made pancakes. I was hoping for a little morning action but got none. She had to get to her midterms at 9 and study more before (so far she nailed the first midterm but still not me).
She left and I've been on my computer since. Must not fap to pron.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - luda - 03-10-2012 07:13 PM
Today I had a massive to jerk off. But I didn't use porn though at least. But damn it took to so long to orgasm using my imagination only and it didn't even feel satisfying at all
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - luda - 03-11-2012 11:31 AM
Fuck this I'm installing a porn blocker and deleting everything I have that is similar to porn
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - freiheitlich - 03-11-2012 09:38 PM
(03-07-2012 01:11 AM)Davey Wrote: Well, I'm on Day 28 now. No porn and no masturbation. I've only gotten off once, and that was a couple weeks ago when I got that fantastic blowjob from the female friend of mine. I've noticed my sex drive has absolutely skyrocketed over the past month, whereas before it was definitely lower than average. Having sexual dreams almost every night and morning wood quite regularly. Experienced a 'dead dick' phase for a week or so, where it seemed like my genitals had shrunk, but the size has returned now. Almost had a couple of relapses, but I'm hangin' in there strong. Looking forward to being able to watch porn again on Thursday, but I don't plan on making it a regular part of my life from now on. The benefits of the reboot have been obvious.
You wanna more Sex. But how is it with your feeling? Do you have stronger emotional feelings if you see a hot girls then before?
Friends,
what are your experiance about your feelings if you see a hot girl. Do you now have stronger emotional reactions toward hot girls that you see in real?
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - luda - 03-12-2012 09:53 AM
Yesterday I had the weirdest dream. I dreamt that I was having sex but my dick couldn't get an erection. I totally freaked out when I woke up and my dick couldn't maintain a solid erection. Its as if its dead
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - Halo Effect - 03-12-2012 11:15 AM
(03-11-2012 09:38 PM)freiheitlich Wrote: Friends,
what are your experiance about your feelings if you see a hot girl. Do you now have stronger emotional reactions toward hot girls that you see in real?
Yes, quitting porn and masturbation both help to appreciate the beauty of girls more. I don't notice it much now (I'm used to my current state of being), but I think my "standards" for enjoying the sight of a girl are much lower now than they were when I still watched porn. Which is a good thing.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - freiheitlich - 03-13-2012 06:48 PM
(03-12-2012 09:53 AM)luda Wrote: Yesterday I had the weirdest dream. I dreamt that I was having sex but my dick couldn't get an erection. I totally freaked out when I woke up and my dick couldn't maintain a solid erection. Its as if its dead
What you do not USE, you lose.
(03-12-2012 11:15 AM)Halo Effect Wrote:(03-11-2012 09:38 PM)freiheitlich Wrote: Friends,
what are your experiance about your feelings if you see a hot girl. Do you now have stronger emotional reactions toward hot girls that you see in real?
Yes, quitting porn and masturbation both help to appreciate the beauty of girls more. I don't notice it much now (I'm used to my current state of being), but I think my "standards" for enjoying the sight of a girl are much lower now than they were when I still watched porn. Which is a good thing.
What effect has it on the Game Performence?
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - Zac - 03-13-2012 07:07 PM
Quote:Yesterday I had the weirdest dream. I dreamt that I was having sex but my dick couldn't get an erection. I totally freaked out when I woke up and my dick couldn't maintain a solid erection. Its as if its dead
The first rule of getting an erection is you can't be freaking out about getting an erection.
The second rule of getting an erection is you can't be freaking out about getting an erection.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - crazyhorse - 03-13-2012 07:57 PM
(03-12-2012 09:53 AM)luda Wrote: Yesterday I had the weirdest dream. I dreamt that I was having sex but my dick couldn't get an erection. I totally freaked out when I woke up and my dick couldn't maintain a solid erection. Its as if its dead
How long was it since you've quitted porn? It could be that you're going through a flatline, I definetly wouldn't worry too much about it.
(03-13-2012 06:48 PM)freiheitlich Wrote:(03-12-2012 09:53 AM)luda Wrote: Yesterday I had the weirdest dream. I dreamt that I was having sex but my dick couldn't get an erection. I totally freaked out when I woke up and my dick couldn't maintain a solid erection. Its as if its dead
What you do not USE, you lose.
(03-12-2012 11:15 AM)Halo Effect Wrote:(03-11-2012 09:38 PM)freiheitlich Wrote: Friends,
what are your experiance about your feelings if you see a hot girl. Do you now have stronger emotional reactions toward hot girls that you see in real?
Yes, quitting porn and masturbation both help to appreciate the beauty of girls more. I don't notice it much now (I'm used to my current state of being), but I think my "standards" for enjoying the sight of a girl are much lower now than they were when I still watched porn. Which is a good thing.
What effect has it on the Game Performence?
No, you don't loose your ability to maintain an erection. How odd.... Could you explain why you would possibly think that? If so, I'm sorry that you've lost yours
.On game performance? Most men feel more confident, develop deeper voices, have less anxiety.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - luda - 03-17-2012 07:03 AM
@crazyhorse I'm currently on day13 I've managed to cut down on masturbation also. I've only masturbated once since the beginning of this challenge. Let's hope I can keep this up though
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - crazyhorse - 03-17-2012 01:19 PM
(03-17-2012 07:03 AM)luda Wrote: @crazyhorse I'm currently on day13 I've managed to cut down on masturbation also. I've only masturbated once since the beginning of this challenge. Let's hope I can keep this up thoughHey Luda
I've skimmed through some of your posts. I actually have a question for you: Would you consider yourself to be addicted to porn? or to be influenced by it?
The reason I'm asking you this, is because I want to get a feeling of where you stand.
13 days is already awesome! Remember that this goes in steps. You will always get stronger along the journey. In the beginning, if I could last a week without porn, it was already a huge improvement. After 2 months of heavy withdrawal, I then managed to go 21 days without it. The 24th day I had a relapse (45 minute session). Then I went another 50 days without porn and I peaked at it for 2-3 minutes.
If you look at that, you'll notice that over time, porn started to have less and less influence on me. If you learn from every relapse, you'll find it easier and easier.
So here are some actions that I've taken:
- Change the code of the digibox, yes you can even order porn here. I havn't used this one for porn, but I don't want to risk relapsing again.
- Install an option on my dad's and brother's computer, so that it loggs itself off after 3 minutes (with their permission). After a previous relapse, I asked them to change their passwords, but sometimes they don't log off their computers. Which is normal, hey we're all human
.If you can make your environemnt 100% porn free, you'll find yourself much more at ease. What's driving your addiction, is dopamine. Dopamine is nothing but an anticipation hormone. So if you can remove the anticipation that arises from watching porn, you'll feel relaxed.
this video should help you a lot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axrywDP9Ii0
Steps that you can take:
- Make your environment as much porn free as possible. This is crucial, particurarily in the early days. For me this was the hard part, since I live in a house that has access to 5 computers or so
. To make it even hearder, they all belong to different people, haha.- Meditation: When I first managed to go 21 days without PMO, it was all due to meditation. Meditation can give you more self control when you're dealing with porn visuals.
You seem to be doing great actually, use these tips and you'll flourish!
I wish you the best!
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - luda - 03-18-2012 08:56 PM
@crazyhorse:
I would say influenced by it at this point. I used to be heavily addicted to it and would watch it for hours. What freaked me out was when I started moving to kinkier genres and I knew I was in trouble when I watched transsexual porn.
After that I slowly lowered my porn use but I I've been unable to completely get rid of it from my life or abstain from watching it for a long period of time. Before this challenge I probably would watch it roughly once a week with odd days where I binge and watch it for hours on end. I have to admit that deleting all my porn material from my computer has really helped me especially since my will power was low last week and I really felt like watching porn. But I feel great right now and motivated to see this whole challenge through
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - Creatine Dreams - 03-20-2012 10:39 PM
I have done this. I started dating a girl two months ago. She is a classmate of mine at school and she asked me out on a date. The third time I had sex with her, I could not get an erection and I was not turned on by her even though she is attractive. I had not masturbated 3 days before seeing her. I was really disappointed in myself and thought I might need to see a doctor for Viagra. I am glad I did not do that. Turns out, all I needed to do was stop watching porn and cut back on the frequency of my masturbation. I have not had the problem since and sex with her has been pretty good. I highly recommend this approach to anyone who may have a problem being turned on by a woman in the bedroom.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - Zac - 03-23-2012 05:34 PM
I'm calling myself out. I've probably watched porn 4 times in the last week. I fell off the wagon. I deleted every link on my computer I have to porn today (should have done that already). If I find myself looking again website blockers are going up. I didn't realize I was on effin' crack.
RE: The No-More-Porn Thread - crazyhorse - 03-23-2012 05:43 PM
(03-23-2012 05:34 PM)Zac Wrote: I'm calling myself out. I've probably watched porn 4 times in the last week. I fell off the wagon. I deleted every link on my computer I have to porn today (should have done that already). If I find myself looking again website blockers are going up. I didn't realize I was on effin' crack.
Don't feel bad about yourself Zac!
Just learn from it, that's the best advice I can give. Look, it took me a while to get through this myself. Right now, it's the first time that my environment is 100% porn free. Before I managed to do this, I also had some relapses. Hell, if you'll read through this thread, you'll know what I'm talking about.
I even had to ask the help of my environment, cause, I couldn't do it alone. Seriously, if there is one thing that sucks, then it's admitting that you're having a porn addiction to your family.
But I was wondering, have you tried k9? K9 can really help you a lot. Particurarily in the early stages. Just give your password to someone that you can trust.
Just remember:
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
Now honestly, where would we be without Winston