Wrong perspective? Should we unlearn?

[Moody]

He, guys,

I thought about something. Much guys on PostMasculine forum are much into this PUA thinking, like: "How can I do X to get situation Y or to make her do Z".

What do you think about it? I mean, it's problematic, because much guys don't know what to say, how to make a connection, how to touch her the right way, but if you give too much information, they change their behavior to "better their game" than expess themself authentically.

And let's think about "neutral" girls. What would "gaming her" mean? Isn't it a wrong approach to better your influence-techniques to make her like you?

Shouldn't we "unlearn" the whole shit to being "just us"? And is our authentic self our attractive self? But, when only experience can learn us how to do XYZ, why are some men still where they've started - even they approached much girls, even they recaped what's happend?

How much advice beginners need - or is it just about stripping away our fears and give a shit about her reaction? Maybe it's the approach of this forum, but if so, some guys don't get it.

Greets


Moody

PS: Hope you understand what I mean; sorry for my English.

[I_Dare]

My friend,

You remind me of what Zan said about PUAs in an interview. He said they see it as a (computer) game that they reset whenever they fail.

As you know inner game (attractive identity, confidence, self esteem etc.) can dramatically reduce your need for techniques and advice on what to do in some specific situations. Arguing about this is questioning a fact. That being said, we can debate forever on which skills are / should be natural and which are to be acquired.

As for the forum having somewhat PUA tendencies due to certain members...You got used to Zan's forum, over there you would get banned immediately for referring to a girl as HBBigJugs and ask for advice on how to Game her.

Fun story: A girl I know told me today she was approached by a guy in a bus station with "I think I know you from somewhere."...followed by some bullshit...followed by her telling him to fuck off...and then him trying some kino and creeping her out totally. She mentioned seeing him several times in bus stations creeping out girls. Is he a real man for trying or a creepy idiot like my friend and probably several other women labeled him? (rhetoric question)

[Jack Sparrow]

To be honest, I haven't finished reading "Models". However, one of the central theme is that most of our "pick-up" problem stems from anxiety.

I've been learning to swim as an adult, and one of the most useful lesson I learned was from this quote...

"Just swim a mile, in any stroke. Don't worry about the techniques. All your technical problems stem from you discomfort and anxiety in water. Once you can swim a mile non-stop, then it's all about technique."

I don't think this analogy apply to a lot of other things, but for swimming and picking up women it does apply. Until you have talked to thousands of women, there is no need to worry about pick-up techniques. Even if you know the right techniques, you are too worried, too anxious to be able to evaluate yourself clearly. That has been the case for me. About half of my approaches if not more are "warm-up approaches." Then rest of them I am actually relaxed enough to be able to steer the conversation, modulate my body language.

Pick-up techniques are important and useful. If you have see a really good natural, they actually have very fine tuned techniques. They are so well calibrated that they can say the exactly right things to stop a girl on a dime or to turn around a bitchy girl. A lot of it is also logistical techniques. But these are guys who literally swim/sleep with girls all their lives.

For the rest of us, it's as simple as becoming gradually more and more comfortable around women, and all our "technical" problems will fade away.