Why is "Models" good?

[freiheitlich]

Everyone of you praise this book. But what information you could apply in field, and what have create a measurable results?

I could not see any material in this book that help my game. Maybe you can help me, and inform me, because you are experts.

[Thenewguy]

Really?

[Trickster]

Models was, to me, more about the principles and theory of attraction. The point is to adapt the right mindset going into interactions as opposed to adapting any sort of specific method for seduction.

That being said, as far as specifics, there are a ton of very good lifestyle/fashion tips in the book. And the approach/connect/sexual confidence programs are a companion to the book that emphasize real world action. It seems as though many on this forum have either read the book (including me) and applied its principles or done the programs with very good results.

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(06-28-2012 05:29 AM)freiheitlich Wrote:  I could not see any material in this book that help my game.

Really? So your fashion sense is top notch, you're in great shape, you're a veritable renaissance man who has explored his passions and expanded his cultural and intellectual horizons to the point where he can have a conversation about a number of different topics with anybody?

[Jack Sparrow]

You are just trolling. I've seen your threads, and you cannot seem to have a reasonable dialogue with anyone.

Of course people on this forum thinks "Models" is good, that's why they stay at this forum. You go to LS forum and everyone praises the Loves System Triad. You go to RSD forum, everyone preaches blueprint.

Pick whatever is useful to you. Don't worry about whether some "system", "model" is the cure all.

[freiheitlich]

If you praise some product, than you should excatly tell me, how this material help you, with which results.

[Kayvee]

(06-29-2012 05:17 AM)freiheitlich Wrote:  If you praise some product, than you should excatly tell me, how this material help you, with which results.

Hey man,


You've done over 500 approaches and not had sex......i don't think you need to be discussing a particular 'method' of pick up....instead i think you should post something about the point you usually get stuck at so it can be critiqued and you can start doing the horizontal lambada.

Peace!

[NakedAndFamous]

Well then, here are some benefits:

Im in the best shape of my life
im better dressed then 90% of the guys when i go out.
I've learned how to set goals and how to manage and achieve them.
Im reading at least one book a month.
Im eating healthy
My friendships and sexual relationships are better than ever before, mainly because of the cocept of vulnerability.
I've gained a way healthier and more objective mindset.
I stopped watching porn
Im happier than i ever was with my life.
And most importantly: It told me to stop being a whiny bitch who told himself that he was a victim of all bad things that happened to him. Basically: Change things that are in your control for the better and dont waste too many thoughts on things that are out of your control.

Needless to say, i didnt gain all those things just by reading the book. But it offered the most fundamental advice on becoming an attractive male. The book doesnt hold the false promises of all those crappy PUA-books where failure is out of the equation.

Basically it tells you where to start on your long road of failures and awkwardness and gow to manage it. From there on its up to your choice how much you make of it.

[Jani]

I admire your persistance for doing 550 approaches, not many guys can do that.

How is your social life?? Do you have a good social circle??

I guess if you did 550 approaches and you only had 5 dates, the issue is deeper than just meeting women.

[Dragonslayer]

Okay, I tell you why “Models” was a good read for me:

- it confirmed a lot of things I had already “found out” by myself, and strengthened my conviction that I was on the right path
- it made me realize a few things, that I hadn't fully thought through, but in retrospect seemly absolutely obvious - I think that's a pretty good indicator, that they are true
- it made me think about honesty with my self, which lead to me realizing that I still was trying to behave so other people would like me, instead of being honest about who I am, what I like, and what I want
- it inspired me, to get more active again, not only in meeting women but in improving my life in general

Of course, I only read it very recently, so I can't say much about how I will think about it in the longterm. All I can say, that “Models” doesn't teach you any routines and techniques about picking up women, but instead tells you pretty accurate what makes a man attractive and successful with women, and how to become such a man. For me, the most important aspect of the book, was about mindsets and what views I would like and should have about the entire men-women-thing.

[crazyhorse]

Freiheitlich I'm pretty sure that your issue is lifestyle related.

And if street approaches don't work out, go somewhere else to find women. Yoga classes? Dance classes? Only if you like these off course.

[Creatine Dreams]

I thought Models was good, but it was not like reading the entire book was some earth shattering revelation.

A lot of it was simply common sense.

However, once in a while, I read something that opened my eyes and offered me new perspective, like the whole part about allowing yourself to be creepy.

Of course, I have already read a ton of stuff on the internet, so a lot of the concepts and ideas were familiar to me.

The point is I think that most everyone can get something out of Models. It is a well organized approach to improving your interactions with women that is based in reality. Depending on where you are in your development, your experience with the book will vary.

[Tim]

I think the guys who read Models and think the biggest changes they have to make are to their 'game' and not to their lifestyle/general identity or dealing with their emotional issues are the people who are not going to see the value in it and most likely remain frustrated with their dating lives.

Great post Notorious, much appreciated.

[freiheitlich]

(06-29-2012 12:36 PM)Jani Wrote:  I admire your persistance for doing 550 approaches, not many guys can do that.

How is your social life?? Do you have a good social circle??

I guess if you did 550 approaches and you only had 5 dates, the issue is deeper than just meeting women.

Yes the issue is deeper. I think because of to little (good) experiance with women.

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(06-29-2012 03:14 PM)crazyhorse Wrote:  Freiheitlich I'm pretty sure that your issue is lifestyle related.

And if street approaches don't work out, go somewhere else to find women. Yoga classes? Dance classes? Only if you like these off course.

yes, i need to try this classes.

[Zac]

You are talking about how many times you've approached girls but how are you with connection or direct communication?

[freiheitlich]

I do not know. I did not pay much attention on how well i am with connection or direct communication. If I evaluate past experiance I would not say that this are a deep problem for me.

[Zac]

well, either you are doing those two things (which will bring success) or you aren't (which is why you aren't having success)

[Mark]

Freiheitlich: Can you list specifically what from the book you have tried to implement and not been successful with? Because from what I've gathered from your posts here over the months is that you haven't really used much of what the book teaches.

Also, if you want some real feedback and you really want to improve, post some photos of yourself and how you typically look when you approach. If you even want to go an extra mile to get help, audio record one of your day game sets.

Most of what I've seen from you on the board hasn't been asking for advice but rather complaining that nothing works.

And by the way, there's a section in Chapter 6 called "Men Who Always Get Rejected And Why." You fit what that section describes perfectly.

[Creatine Dreams]

Maybe, you should consider buying the book, freiheitlich.

It is only $20.

Plus, if you find that it is really useless, I think Mark offers a money back guarantee.

[The Notorious PhD]

Re-post (because more dudes need to read that book):

Why I like Models:

1. It is well-written. Most of the material in the dating-advice industry is almost childishly poorly-written. Models could hold its own even outside of the genre in terms of writing quality.

2. It is honest and it encourages honesty. It doesn't make any false claims about Jedi mind-tricks to get that ONE girl you really pine for, or how to have sex with that 36DD SHB11++ stripper-doctor. For most people this not going to happen - and just as well, because for most people, whether they realize it or not, this isn't what will make them happy. Other books/companies prey on people's insecurities and vulnerabilities to sell their stuff. And worse, end-up damaging these people in some way. Not Models.

3. There's more to life than just obsessing over women. Unlike other books, Models encourages you to delve deeper and actually become an interesting, well-rounded, and self-confident MAN. This is a far broader and healthier perspective on living a fulfilling life.

4. The book brought me to this online community. If one really makes a commitment to improving oneself, this place has all the tools/advice/guidance one needs. If you're willing to put in the effort, several months to a year from now, you'll be a different person - you won't even recognize the freiheitlich of today. That's some powerful shit.

Freiheitlich, I know you're disappointed. But it's like what Nietzsche said, those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who couldn't hear the music.

Guys here tell you to improve your lifestyle, to adopt attractive mindsets, and worry less about what to say and how, to go deeper and fix underlying issues that affect your confidence, but all that sounds useless to you because you can't hear the music. Far easier to memorize a list of openers and routines and robotically deliver them in succession.

Based on your success rate (even though I hate that term), I'm going to say you don't need a new "method" or "tactic". No, you need a new life.

Read Models again, and start by making changes to your lifestyle first. Do you have a job that you like? Are you healthy and physically fit? Do you have hobbies you enjoy? Are you well-read? Do you have an idea of where you want to be (outside of getting girls) in a years time? In 5 years? Are you thinking and doing something about achieving your goals? Again, read that book, but not for tactics, but guidelines on how to improve your life.

Lastly, you may ask, well if it's not about technique then why worry about things like body-language, fashion, tonality, conversation, etc. That's the next step. It's like this: we're trying to build a faster car. So first we take the engine (lifestyle) and improve it. Later we'll worry about the intake, wheels, and so on.

But what you're asking is to simply paint the car a flashier color. Now that, for sure, will not make it go any faster.

Make sense?

[Jani]

If you evaluate a situation, you need to think in factors and relationships.
We know from Mark that there are 3 factors; lifestyle, confidence & calibration.
It's not your confidence, otherwise you wouldn't did 550 approaches.
So, it's your lifestyle and/or calibration.
Now, evaluate honest your lifestyle and then your calibration.

[SeXyBaCk]

This german dude gives me the creeps.