The problem with "natural game" (discussion)

[Google Adsense]

Hey guys, i need a male opinion

Well, i personally think that if PUA bullshit didn't help you chances are that more "natural doctrines" won't help you either.

This is really hard to explain, but here's the thing:

"Inner game" is the most important, right? By inner game we mean the set of emotions you feel, that will help you to attract women.

Any "natural game guru" will tell you about the importance of inner game as opposed to "techniques and manipulations and games". You listen to him and you think to yourself that it makes a lot of sense.

The problem is, like that wise black guy on the matrix said " one thing is to know the path, the other is to walk the path". If you read about the importance of inner game you know about that importance INTELECTUALLY, as opposed to know it EMOTIONALLY.

First i used to get rejected by women because i was too nervous. Then i used to get phone numbers but because i was needy (intrinscly) i ended up getting rejected. Then started going on dates but had to fail a couple of them before i started feeling confortable. I even got rejected on the bedroom at the beggining.

Inner game is supposed to be FELT. To FEEL it takes action. I saw people here who claim that inner game is the most important but open threads asking on how they should behave on their date tonight. Even when you tell them to have an abundance mindset or whatever they see it as " i'm going to remember that hint because it will make me get laid" as opposed to " i'm going to remember that because it's a mindset i know is going to make me feel more happy".

You get the idea?

[Chaos]

"Game" is a complex topic to tell you the truth. I feel detached right now from all the techniques and tricks of traditional PUA, however at one point in the past I used them, I got laid... Probably not as a direct result of using them but whatever, that's how it felt. Now I shiver just thinking about using those "routines" and techniques.

The same goes for so called "natural game". It's a marketing tool, most of the guys out there just quote it, give a couple of bad examples and make some money. Still at one time I was really into it to, all the marketing shit and all that.

In the end PickUp is kind of a journey, you have to try and fail and try and success. The most important part is that you try, the rest more or less comes naturally. In the end I think most of it boils down to who you are.

People who have their shit together usually hit and leave the pickup community just taking what they need. Some are trapped as in a spider web and never leave, and some never even try in the first place. Essentially most PUA advice doesn't focus on the inner self, on changing the people so they become more attractive, they focus on COVERING UP the people so they SEEM more attractive.
People who aree naturally troubled (for whatever reason) end up trapped because the real cause for their lack of success (those aforementioned problems) are never addressed and most of them lack the capacity to pick what they need and improve. That's by the way why I started following Mark in the first place, at least he tries to address those inner problems (as much as one can giving general advice).

Inner game is just a fancy word. You can quote abundance mentality, and yeah, that's a useful concept, but in the end is about being comfortable with yourself, with who you are and that can't be taught in a seminar, you can't learn it from other people. You can listen to the basic, listen to the advice, and then work on yourself and get your shit together (as much as possible)... But the change, and the acceptance, has to come from within, and once it comes, you don't even think about it.

[Tim]

'Inner game' doesn't exist. 'Natural' doesn't exist. Dealing with your anxiety exists. Handling your and her emotions exists.

Your inner thoughts and your outer behavior are intertwined. You can't have one without it being a reflection of the other.

Start thinking about it like that and it gets a hell of a lot less complicated and easier to work with.

[The Notorious PhD]

(07-26-2012 03:54 PM)Google Adsense Wrote:  " one thing is to know the path, the other is to walk the path". If you read about the importance of inner game you know about that importance INTELECTUALLY, as opposed to know it EMOTIONALLY.

Inner game is supposed to be FELT. To FEEL it takes action.

That's exactly how I feel. There is no substitute for the raw, ego-shattering experiences that will chisel away all the bullshit anxieties and fears to ultimately expose a true, confident core.

I also believe Richard Wiseman's book (Think a Little Change a Lot) on the science behind self-help cited studies showing that positive affirmations are not very effective.