The American (or western) woman, what do you guys have to say?

[Reesays]

Not a big fan of Roosh's work but there have been countless other pick up artists, men, and guys in general who have had experiences dating both foreign women and American women. The answer has almost always came out the same, foreign women beat out American women in terms of long term relationships and overall in everything I guess.

Although I have met some great American women, overall it seems like girls my age group are just not the type of women I ever see myself settling down with. I am going to hold my opinion to a minimum, I want to know what you guys have to say about this matter since you have more experience.

I have fortunately met some foreign women who have been great but overall I don't get to run into them often.

[bwong]

Don't generalize. I use to about mainland China girls (since I had a really bad experience with one) and then thought to myself that if I do that, I stop myself from getting to know a girl as an individual. There are a lot of great American women out there for long term relationships. I don't agree with foreign women being better at long term relationships than American women as I have met a lot of foreign women who are shitty at it as well.

[Reesays]

generally speaking you would say that foreign women win out, correct?

[Mark]

http://postmasculine.com/you-are-not-a-victim

[Reesays]

You are a victim, we are victims of our circumstances but in the end it is our responsibility to make progress towards fixing those circumstances. See it daily in my area, most girls are just not near datable, now do note I live in a city where the household income is way below average. Those who are datable tend to be taken, extremely hard to get, and in general hostile to being approached.

Regardless, it comes down to me (as always) as a man to make my situation better. At which my progress was halted at recently due to just being too darn stupid to talk to a professor for rescheduling my test. Got a bad score on one test, had two tests 10 minutes apart from each other. Potential A's are now turning into B's.

ALTHOUGH there is no denying, maybe it is because most of the American women I ran into were "Southern" women, I have had far better luck with European and Latina women than American women.

[Edmond Dantès]

Sorry man, but you post the same, sorry I have to say it this way, shit in a new form every couple of days.

It always comes down to your mindset, which consists of limiting beliefs of being Indian and that it's an obstacle for you interacting with (american) women.

We told you one thousand and one times to take care of it, to get in touch with your limiting beliefs, to question your mindset, but you ignore it.
Sure you might get now some results with women, but I bet a hundred bucks that it won't make you any happier... why? Because you run away from your most fundamental issues that are in your way to become a fulfilled, happy, human being.

Oh and any european guy would laugh at your last statement. It isn't here easier for american guys, just like it isn't easier for us in the states. Sure, you might have the foreigner effect, but it's such a small difference.

Generally spoken, different countries, same girls with some minor differences.

[Chaos]

Reesay, some days you're doing fine and then you go back to your old habits... I can't believe you're not seeing the pattern!!! I will repeat it once more to see if it sinks:

You start a generality thread, one that categorize women by some random patter, be it race, nationality, hair colo or whatever, the next one you'll open would be "do you think girls that like heavy metal music are easier to get than club girls?"

All of us tell you that it doesn't matter and that you should stop generalizing. Thread closed!!!

Seriously pal, you simply can't put human beings into categories and try to extract information about THEM based only on that. American women encloses so many kind of women that is the same as not categorizing them.

You were on the right track when you categorized them and then reflected on the preconceptions that YOU have. "Blonde women make me nervous". Right kind of categorization, that lets you explor what's happening and fix it... And still you can't make completely accurate observations (better, "Blonde women seem to make me nervous"), still, as long as you are analyzing your preconceptions to destroy them and not CREATING new preconceptions then you're on the right track.

[Mark]

http://postmasculine.com/what-are-your-stories

[Matty]

All these American woman in you age group, and YOU can't see yourself dating them...what's the one common denominator here guy?

[Zac]

Pretty soon you are going to run out of reasons you've given yourself not to go out there and really get to know people and you will go out there and really get to know people and find out the world is an amazing place and if you love yourself people (not all) will love you too and you will look back on this time in your life and see the folly in the way you currently see the world but it will be OK with you because you will know it was all part of getting to where you are going to go.

I see progress in you, sometimes. Then I see you revert. I'll ask this again, because I've asked it in like 3 threads and you never answered.

You obviously go to school. What types of groups and activities do you find yourself partaking in? How many other people are involved? Where else can you get yourself involved? If you were sheltered before you should be trying to get yourself as involved with all sorts of other people as possible, preferably in activities you enjoy doing.

Start building your social circle. Stop worrying so much about women in general. Go find things you love to do that women also love to do. Make some friends who are women. If you are posting the things you are posting I have to question how many real friendships you have with women.

[baller08]

I've read so many of these "girls of X race won't date guys of Y race" bullshit. Even if a girl has a preference to not like men of a certain race that's all it is...a preference. I prefer blondes so a lot of my girlfriends were blonds but a lot of my more serious relationships were with brunettes. So what? It doesn't mean anything, its just my preference. I prefer a black Porsche but if you gave me a red Porsche I'm not going to say, "No thanks".

When a woman meets me, she doesn't meet my entire race. All she is doing is meeting a man. And she'll make the same decisions as any woman meeting any man. I've only seriously dated girls in my own race twice in my life. So what?

My race doesn't have anything to do with it, other than it makes me a little more interesting during conversations because I bring some cultural things to the table that she doesn't understand but now wants to know more about.

Of all the excuses I've heard men give about why they don't succeed, "Race" is the truly the least valid of them all. Seriously. LEAST valid. Not even second least. The LEAST valid. All in your head. Completely self-fulfilling.

[Tim]

Mark there are two threads in this subforum with the same basic gist here. Can you lock one of them?

[Reesays]

(03-22-2012 08:22 PM)baller08 Wrote:  I've read so many of these "girls of X race won't date guys of Y race" bullshit. Even if a girl has a preference to not like men of a certain race that's all it is...a preference. I prefer blondes so a lot of my girlfriends were blonds but a lot of my more serious relationships were with brunettes. So what? It doesn't mean anything, its just my preference. I prefer a black Porsche but if you gave me a red Porsche I'm not going to say, "No thanks".

When a woman meets me, she doesn't meet my entire race. All she is doing is meeting a man. And she'll make the same decisions as any woman meeting any man. I've only seriously dated girls in my own race twice in my life. So what?

My race doesn't have anything to do with it, other than it makes me a little more interesting during conversations because I bring some cultural things to the table that she doesn't understand but now wants to know more about.

Of all the excuses I've heard men give about why they don't succeed, "Race" is the truly the least valid of them all. Seriously. LEAST valid. Not even second least. The LEAST valid. All in your head. Completely self-fulfilling.

I don't even know WHY you Asian guys complain about race, like I really don't. There are tons of women out there who love Asian men and just YOUTUBE it, like literally, thousands of videos out there of Asian men with White women and stuff. I mean seriously, you get the attention when it comes to race and even down here I have seen Asian men date FINE LOOKING Latinas and Black women (no one dates a good looking White woman down here unless they are White themselves or a really really white looking Latino).

ALL the stereotypes in your favor are great.

So people stereotype you to be a nerd, okay, don't dress like one and BAM, OMG it is an ASIAN THAT IS NOT NERDY = INSTANT SUCCESS.

With us Indians, IT TRULY CAN SUCK. Because

1. People confuse Indians with terrorists
2. Women actually think we are misogynists
3. Every time an outlier happens, you can bet a stubborn FOB (thousands of em really) will come along and ruin it for them
4. You truly cannot prove a person wrong if they think you a misogynist terrorist, now if they think you are nerdy well don't dress nerdy and instant success indeed

You Asian guys have Timothy DeLa Ghetto, you have Jeremy Lin, you have the guy from Hangover (funny lol), ViperGQ, heck there are even Asian male pornstars who f*ck all races of women.

Your only issue is people think you are nerdy but other than that, you are good to go. For Indians, man it is WAY WORSE. Like tell me when was the last time YOU in real life actually saw an Indian guy have tremendous amounts of success with womanizing and such.

I have seen Asian, Black, and Latino guys do good down here (not with White women but other women, like Black guys with Asian girls and such).

My only source of inspiration for Indians are PUAs like Jeremy Soul, most Indian guys I have ever heard of are on the whole religious hocus pocus white knight women are sacred BS.

[Tim]

Oh man, all that patience you earned the other day for listing the 5 things you were thankful for... gone, just like that.

STOP complaining. Even if you're right, which you most definitely are not, what does it matter? If no women will date you, why are you trying to convince us of that? Clearly we're wrong in your eyes, so why waste your time?

[Leo]

James Matador (Stan Tayi)

[Zac]

^ That looks like a guy that doesn't feel bad for himself.

[Reesays]

(03-23-2012 04:02 AM)Tim Wrote:  Oh man, all that patience you earned the other day for listing the 5 things you were thankful for... gone, just like that.

STOP complaining. Even if you're right, which you most definitely are not, what does it matter? If no women will date you, why are you trying to convince us of that? Clearly we're wrong in your eyes, so why waste your time?

what I am saying is that yes Indian guys marry beautiful women because they get to spend time convincing the girl they are good, for womanizing and one night stands, it seems that superficial crap like race just matters more

didn't say I wasn't gonna try to be the first Indian guy to break the mold

didn't say the mold can't be broken, just said there is more to overcome, more than any other group (except for arabs) out there

[Tim]

(03-23-2012 04:22 AM)Reesays Wrote:  didn't say I wasn't gonna try to be the first Indian guy to break the mold

didn't say the mold can't be broken, just said there is more to overcome, more than any other group (except for arabs) out there

Why aren't you talking about that then? Why are you talking about reasons you can't instead of telling us more about how you will?

[Zac]

(Tim wrote this entire thing in one sentence and I didn't see it until after I posted mine)

The only thing you have to overcome is yourself.

If I could make some sort of info-graphic picture to illustrate the walls you've built up for yourselves just in the short 2 weeks I've spent on this forum it would make the wall that separates the 7 kingdoms from the great white north in Game of Thrones look like a kid's lego fence.

The good thing is you can tear down those walls. The bad thing is you keep spending more time building them up than tearing them down so far.

I know you are going to get it though. I know you are. Sometimes reading what you have to say is down right frustrating (writing it must be too so if we feel frustrated reading it it makes sense) but I know that if you just start to really try, and start to ACTUALLY listen, you are going to get it. You need to start listening. You didn't come here to talk at us. You came here to listen and learn. I know you want to do that. I know you want to succeed.

I don't give one single shit about what has happened in your past. It will always be a part of you but it does not define you any more. You define who you are every single day. Your new life starts tomorrow. Your new life starts when you start saying to yourself "Fuck everything I think I know, I'm going to start making changes and listening to these guys with my full attention and my full effort".

There are things going on here much deeper than women. That much is true. You've admitted this yourself. If you really want to work this stuff out, stop worrying about women and start figuring out how we are going to start building your life up one block at a time. Let's rip down these walls and build you up. If you aren't willing to do those two things, you are wasting your time. Let's do this man. Please.

Once again. What kind of clubs and organizations do you belong to? Why do you belong to them? How do they make you feel?

If you do not belong to some, what kinds of things interest you? What would you like to try? What types of people would you like to meet?

[Mark]

Reesays has been banned for three days for his racist comments about Asians. I'm really, really, really tired with all of the race/looks bullshit that goes on here every month or two.

I'm starting to think Reesays is a troll, albeit a shitty one, since he generated a lot of useful discussion. Either way, we'll find out in a few days. If he's legit, hopefully banning him will wake him the fuck up to how inappropriate his mindsets are to himself and to others. And if he's a troll, well, I'll just permanently ban him next time.

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