It doesn't really matter, they both work on the same issues but from different angles with some overlapping principles. Absorbing, understanding, and applying the principles of one will help you absorb, understand, and apply the principles of the other.
I'm so glad to hear you're starting this. I read about your struggles in the other threads and I have nothing new to tell you other than this:
(04-09-2012 05:30 PM)baller08 Wrote: "How long" varies from guy to guy and it depends on how much his life improves.
The short answer is: when you move onto the next cute girl who is into you and vice versa.
The longer answer is: when the major facets of your life improve.
The really long answer is: when your internal mindset improves which involves the way you think of yourself and how you fit into the world.
Edited to add: The "short answer" will help you with this girl. The long and really long answer will help you prevent being in this situation again. But you'll most likely be in this situation a few more times before you gain some control over how you manage your relationships. Don't worry this is normal and part of the process.
I know that it seems like a Catch 22 - you feel like shit and we ask you to approach women which makes your approach worse because you feel like shit. And the subsequest rejections make you feel even more like shit and your mind naturally goes back to the last time you felt like a man.
I know.....trust me I know. Every man on here who is excellent with women have gone through this. But the men who can push through this gain more than just his dignity back...he gains this unspoken "aura" that every woman picks up on.
This thread here that you might have read: http://postmasculine.com/forum/Thread-Fu...dyness-etc
When a man pushes through this pain period he creates an aura about himself that doesn't require this state pumping. The state pumping is a good training wheel tool...I'm not knocking it....use whatever you have to in order to gain experience.
But to truly embody this aura that draws women to you and inspires women to say, "There is just something about him....."
, there's no way to get that except through the path you're traveling. This is why I wrote this, to hopefully help guys that are exactly in your position: http://postmasculine.com/forum/Thread-Hardships
You're a strong individual, Creatine. I feel your pain and I'm proud of you and how you've stuck to your guns and continue to push forward.