Shouldn't the point of "game" or "PUA" be to pick up all kinds of women? (my log)

[Mark]

Yeah, of course... but for example, in general, I'm not very interested in black girls. If you asked me point blank, "Are you into black girls?" I'd say no.

But over the years I've been with 3-4 black girls who were just really cool and really sexy. So there are always exceptions.

[Leo]

Reesays Wrote:I would love it if you refrained from giving yours because I do not see it helping me.

My whole pleasure! Good luck!

[shadow]

Dude, here is a step-by-step plan for you. Shut the fuck up and follow it. Yes, you heard me. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FOLLOW IT. This plan will work. But the little that I've read in this thread suggests you'll make excuses and chicken out. I don't know why, but your thread is just making me boil with anger. I don't see a man. I see a scared little boy who has no control over himself and is entirely jostled by his circumstances. You will never be able to accomplish anything in life if you don't get out of this excuse-making habit of yours. I wrote a big reply to you, but iPhone problems meant that it got lost. Anyway, here is my last attempt at helping a fucking excuse-maker like you.

Before I give you the plan, here are the core principles of life:

1) Never give up on what you want. Fight the whole world if you have to, but don't give up until you drop dead.

2) Never make excuses for why you don't have something. Excuses allow you to accept your lot. They allow you to give up because you have a "reason". They encourage mediocrity. Mark had a post on this called, "I can but I choose not to". Go look it up.

3) Don't underestimate the power of simple actions. People often think that shit is more complicated than it is. It is not. It is very simple. Want to be good at basketball? Practice 5 hours a day for 5 years and you'll be really good. People want shortcuts and they disregard the simple actions in favor of a "magic pill" that does not exist. BTW 95% of pickup is a "magic pill" that does not work.

4) Be indifferent to people that don't like you. Chasing after people that don't like you and trying to make them like you is a symptom of a larger problem - the problem of being ungrateful for what you have. Such people are pereinially unhappy because they don't know how to appreciate what they have. In other words, they are pessimists. The specific application in your case is not that you be indifferent to all white girls. You fucking racist bigot, remember that you are fucking stereotyping an entire race as being bigoted without making any exceptions for individual personality characteristics. Even at the peak of racism (KKK etc.), people like Jack Johnson were dating white girls by the hordes. If anything, it is a testament to the variety of human-kind. Truth be told, you are a bigger bigot than all the white girls that you trash. You are stereotyping an entire race, while they are only "rejecting" you. And rightfully so, who wants to be with a bigot like you?

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Here is the step-by-step action plan for you. Follow it if you want to change your life. Otherwise, you can always go back to the cozy confines of your excuse-making cell and wallow in your misery.

1) Resolve right now to date a white girl. Write your resolve down on a piece of paper/smartphone. It can be something as simple as "I will date a white girl".
2) Your goal is to now do anything necessary to achieve (1). With that in mind, resolve that you will interact with a 100 white girls (either cold approach or normal social interaction). Write this resolve down on the paper/phone.
3) With each of the 100 girls, here is what you are going to do. No gimmicks, no game. All you are going to do is say, "I find you cute, I'd like to take you out sometime". Let her respond. If she is interested, great. Exchange info and set up a date. No need to thank me. If she is not, politely walk away.
4) Break down the 100 interactions above into a manageable small chunk number. For example, 1 girl a day. Whatever you come up with, you must achieve that target that day. Write this resolve on the paper/phone.
5) Set up an accountability system with a buddy that you trust. Tell him about your 1 approach a day and ask him to keep you accountable. Tell him you'll give $10 everyday you don't approach/interact with 1 girl and ask her out.
6) Review your resolutions in (1), (2) and (4) every four hour every day. You can use smartphone reminders for this. People often fall off the wagon, because their old goals are replaced by new goals. It is just a symptom of lack of focus and tenacity.

That's it. Do these 6 steps above and if you don't find a white girl ready to date you, you can make all the excuses you want.

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For extra motivation:
1) I am asian (not born and raised here) and white girls are attracted to me all the time. I've not been with a huge number of girls, but two of them were white.
2) One of my good friends is Indian and he is getting married to a white chick from the deep south.
2) I used the same plan above to get a same night lay and to drop 16 lbs in two months.

[Jon]

Here's the problem:

You: I wanna date white chicks

Everybody else: fine, no problem, go for it

You: but they won't date brown guys

everybody: yes they will

You: no, really they won't

Leo: fine, so date indian girls, they are hot

You: RACIST!

Also, by "date Indian girls" Leo did not mean "get an arranged marriage." He meant "go find one at a bar or cafe and get her number"

Reesays Wrote:Ugh, hate to go back on my word but here I go.

She did not say White only to me, they said it to a WHOLE CLASS.

And wtf is this whole get an Indian girl thing? What do you mean by foreigner, you don't know me and haven't walked in my shoes for a minute to say you know what you are talking about regarding my situation. Eitherways, get an Indian girl? I don't wanna be one of those loser Indian guys who ends up begging mama for an arranged marriage, screw that. If I wanted to screw Indian women only, I would

1. NOT make an effort to improve myself
2. Never come on here
3. Never bother lifting weights or doing approaches
4. Never even worry about whatever

I can be a fat, ugly, out of shape, dumb, etc. whatever kind of guy and still get an indian girl to screw just by begging my parents but I don't want to do that and my parents do not want to go through all that.

And honestly, don't take this as me accusing you of being in the KKK but when people have told me or others to stick with their own kind or hinted at it, it usually has some malicious intentions behind it. Often it can be guys not wanting competition telling others to stay away or those who deep down have a disdain for race mixing.

Mark and others have been useful with the advice. I would love it if you refrained from giving yours because I do not see it helping me. I have dealt with guys who had your attitude in real life before and it has ended up a disaster.

Mark, if you think I am closing myself off from some views, I am not, but I do not see Leo's helping me at all and in fact I see them as rather limiting.

[Mark]

In Reesays' defense, Indian-Indian dating culture is quite different from Indian-White dating culture. There are different expectations and their families are a lot more involved. This is also a big reason that a lot of Indian girls have bizarre mental and emotional hang ups about dating white guys.

But this is pretty much spot on:

Quote:Here's the problem:

You: I wanna date white chicks

Everybody else: fine, no problem, go for it

You: but they won't date brown guys

everybody: yes they will

You: no, really they won't

In fact, I'd add the following to it...

Everybody: No really, they will, you're just not trying hard enough...

You: No, they won't. I heard stories that they won't.

Everybody: Yes they will. Stop arguing.

You: But you don't understand, they won't.

Everybody: Would you shut the fuck up already?

[Chaos]

And in fact the main problem there is:

Mark Wrote:You: No, they won't. I heard stories that they won't.

[Trickster]

Maybe we need stories showing that white girls will date brown guys? A good friend of mine is Indian and his one serious girlfriend before his current wife (who is Indian-Muslim, which caused a lot of consternation among his parents) was white. His brother married a very attractive white girl. It happens.

I've heard so many times from some white girls that they "only date white guys" etc etc. I'm Asian, 100%. Is there a bias against us? yeah, sometimes I guess, but I mostly date white girls. I view it as a innocuous preference choice, like preferring blondes over brunettes, or being an ass man as opposed to a breast man, or whatever. We have preferences, but we can bend our preferences for the right person. The instant you start classifying an entire race and gender as rigidly biased against you to the point of conspiracy is the instant you've rejected yourself for them as opposed to having them reject you. That's the truth.

[Jon]

I had a good friend in college who had the EXACT opposite problem of OP. He was pakistani, and white women LOVED him, but he wouldn't date non-ismaeli women because of his family. Eventually he gave up on that and married an outrageously hot girl.

I've seriously never seen a guy who got so much unwanted interest from girls. He was like a hot chick - women would hit on him in front of his girlfriend.

[Reesays]

I will reply to all posts about race or whatever or criticisms later, here is my approach log for today

Girl 1:

Blonde girl, southern.

I was sitting in a cafeteria and she was sitting on the same table as me.
Looked at her and said Hi, she said hi. Asked her what her major was, told her what my major was. Got into a conversation.

We talked for 2 more minutes, I called her a "heavenly blessed beauty", she said "awww you are so sweet". We talked for a bit more (2 more minutes), she looked at me and said I am an "interesting guy". Laughed and walked away.

Girl 2:

Southern Brunette.

Me: Hi my name is _________
Her: Hey, now go away!
Me: =(
Her: I MEAN IT!

[Jon]

Dude, I think you are seriously miscalibrated. That reaction from the second girl is pretty drastic. You are sending off some signal that is making women want to get rid of you fast. Also, southern women are unusually POLITE so getting this reaction takes some doing.

[Mark]

Hence my original reply on your very first thread... it's not that they're white... it's that your game sucks.

Keep approaching.

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And for what it's worth, one of my best friends is an Indian guy living in the Midwest and he only dates white girls. He's never had much trouble getting interest from them. Very cool, easy-going guy. I've met a number of other Indian guys who get more than their fair share.

[Matt T]

Quote:I called her a "heavenly blessed beauty", she said "awww you are so sweet".

If she only knew this was an internet meme...

[Reesays]

lets see

I decided not to take action, oh well you are just wasting our time, you are getting banned, you are a troll, you lack initiative
I decided to take action and try it, put myself out there, go through the humiliation, oh you lack game, you must have something women hate, you just overall suck

PERFECT example of a catch 22. I mean hay, don't I get props for trying and risking rejection and dealing with it like a real man?

Anyways, I just think so many of you PUA guys are out of touch with reality. Race never really limited you, well heck, its CUZ UR WHITE, you think that should be the case for everyone. You guys HAD the chance to live in the NYCs the Chicagos the LAs of this world, you never knew how it was like being a minority in a small bible belt town where people both old and young are openly racist to your face.

Then you have a guy like me, the guy who is willing to suck it up and say "ya I been through some sh*t but I am going to try to change and take a risk regardless of what happens", WHAT THE H3LL DO YOU PEOPLE DO!?

You scrutinize the guy.

Well I am sorry Mr Privileged, I was not born with favorable circumstances. Call it a f*ckin excuse but environment makes a difference. Tell it to the kids in my high school who wanted to go to Harvard but lacked the guidance, materials, and any sort of means to get there while kids who were getting drunk, arrested, and all that in the suburban schools did manage to get into the Ivies.

To the Adminstrator, send those Indian guys here in the small town, tell me how much luck they have.

I mean you guys expect me to build a playboy mansion on right wing property, WTF. Seriously.

As for the Indian guy - White girl topic:

Okay lets get down to being realistic. Yes, couples like that exist and may even be common. Look at Sanjay Gupta for example. In fact, couples like that may exist in high concentrations in NYC and California, I hope they do but who knows maybe they don't. FACT IS, down here, couples like that do not exist.

That is my whole issue with PUA. It is like relationship marijuana.

It COMPLETELY ignores the issues at hand, puts COMPLETE blame on the person having them, and punishes the person for being that way. Lets be a bit realistic folks, Matador or Jeremy Soul will have no luck in my area, I promise you that.

If I want the type of treatment you people are giving me, then hell I will join the freaking military and have a sergeant yell at my face for everything.

It is like majority of you people lack class, a guy is putting in effort, instead you saying he is a whiner, doesn't do much, doesn't have game, etc. Seriously, PUA people to me look like privileged folks who think everyone out there had it as easy as them growing up and view the world with that perspective.

[shadow]

Of course you get props for approaching two girls. Now approach 98 more, ask them out and I'll give you real props. BTW, why did you not ask girl #1 out? Don't you think that's your real problem? Instead of saying retarded useless shit like "heavenly blessed beauty", show some balls and tell her you like her and want to take her out.

BTW, Mr. I'm-so-unlucky, not only PUA, but any level headed person would take responsibility for his life. If you're convinced nobody would have luck there, find a way to move out of that area. You have a whole bunch of other excuses for that. So what do you want us to do? Lend you an ear and give you our shoulder to cry on. Go to momma for that. Tell her you want to fuck white chicks but they don't like you and go cry to her. You are just a cry baby. That's all you are. Learn to take responsibility for your life. If environment matters so much, move the fuck out. Concentrate all your energies on that. The thing is you don't want to take ANY action. You only want to cry. And when you do take action, you want props. Why the fuck should I give you props man? What do I get if you hook up with white chicks? People here care about other people and want them to do better. But only if they behave like adults. Not if they behave like cry-babies.

Reesays Wrote:lets see

I decided not to take action, oh well you are just wasting our time, you are getting banned, you are a troll, you lack initiative
I decided to take action and try it, put myself out there, go through the humiliation, oh you lack game, you must have something women hate, you just overall suck

PERFECT example of a catch 22. I mean hay, don't I get props for trying and risking rejection and dealing with it like a real man?

Anyways, I just think so many of you PUA guys are out of touch with reality. Race never really limited you, well heck, its CUZ UR WHITE, you think that should be the case for everyone. You guys HAD the chance to live in the NYCs the Chicagos the LAs of this world, you never knew how it was like being a minority in a small bible belt town where people both old and young are openly racist to your face.

Then you have a guy like me, the guy who is willing to suck it up and say "ya I been through some sh*t but I am going to try to change and take a risk regardless of what happens", WHAT THE H3LL DO YOU PEOPLE DO!?

You scrutinize the guy.

Well I am sorry Mr Privileged, I was not born with favorable circumstances. Call it a f*ckin excuse but environment makes a difference. Tell it to the kids in my high school who wanted to go to Harvard but lacked the guidance, materials, and any sort of means to get there while kids who were getting drunk, arrested, and all that in the suburban schools did manage to get into the Ivies.

To the Adminstrator, send those Indian guys here in the small town, tell me how much luck they have.

I mean you guys expect me to build a playboy mansion on right wing property, WTF. Seriously.

As for the Indian guy - White girl topic:

Okay lets get down to being realistic. Yes, couples like that exist and may even be common. Look at Sanjay Gupta for example. In fact, couples like that may exist in high concentrations in NYC and California, I hope they do but who knows maybe they don't. FACT IS, down here, couples like that do not exist.

That is my whole issue with PUA. It is like relationship marijuana.

It COMPLETELY ignores the issues at hand, puts COMPLETE blame on the person having them, and punishes the person for being that way. Lets be a bit realistic folks, Matador or Jeremy Soul will have no luck in my area, I promise you that.

If I want the type of treatment you people are giving me, then hell I will join the freaking military and have a sergeant yell at my face for everything.

It is like majority of you people lack class, a guy is putting in effort, instead you saying he is a whiner, doesn't do much, doesn't have game, etc. Seriously, PUA people to me look like privileged folks who think everyone out there had it as easy as them growing up and view the world with that perspective.

[Mark]

Seriously, I would have banned this kid by now if I didn't feel sorry for him. It must suck going through life assuming you're going to fail at everything you want to do before you even try.

And since when does going out and getting rejected 1,000 times make you "privileged."

That's like me saying: "Man, those guys who've gone to the gym 6 times a week for the past 4 years are so privileged to have a six-pack. If only they knew how hard it was to be me..." *eats more cheesecake*

Anyway... this forum is here to help people with their problems. But unfortunately there are some people out there who do not want to be helped, they want to complain and get validated for their problems instead of actually doing anything about them. Reesays complain/action ratio is insanely high right now. My old business partner once said, "If you have more forum posts than approaches, you should probably not be posting."

[Reesays]

As I said, I have a path out of here, only problem is, as I am working towards it, it will take time. By the end of this year I should be out.

Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, I am looking for at least someone to say, I dunno: "keep going reesays brah you can do it keep pushing brah!"

Mark:

its more like:

"man why do those guys have six packs, they are so lucky they were allowed to go to the gym while my parents kept me inside the house and did not even let me go to the gym, only study"

as for the six pack goal, I am getting close to it brah

[Reesays]

gonna go try approaches at starbucks now

[Trickster]

I think how you process rejection is just as important (if not more so) than putting yourself in the position to be rejected. The reason why guys are harping on your rants about privilege, race, and all that stuff is because that line of thinking is not particularly useful. Turing rejection into some kind of excuse for martyrdom does not do you any good. Nobody's saying that minorities aren't afflicted with some problems: race is an issue, as well as an often warped upbringing. But when you let these issues define your would view, you stop thinking about what is possible and start seeing things in terms of what's already pre-determined. Nothing is predetermined. We work against the odds sometimes, but that doesn't mean we can't succeed despite them

[Traindom]

Reesays Wrote:As I said, I have a path out of here, only problem is, as I am working towards it, it will take time. By the end of this year I should be out.

Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, I am looking for at least someone to say, I dunno: "keep going reesays brah you can do it keep pushing brah!"

Mark:

its more like:

"man why do those guys have six packs, they are so lucky they were allowed to go to the gym while my parents kept me inside the house and did not even let me go to the gym, only study"

as for the six pack goal, I am getting close to it brah

People on here wouldn't have posted as long and as much as they did if they didn't care enough to help. That should tell you something. And I think Mark saying "Keep approaching" counts as "keep pushing brah!" I wouldn't push away the only people who are trying to help you. With that said, good luck. You CAN make your life awesome if you want to with every single fiber of your being.

[Mark]

I think you're mistaken if you think we expect you to fix things instantly. We don't. This is a long-term process. We all invested years of time and effort into changing our lives for the better. What we're looking for isn't, "OK, I did it! Thanks!" What we're looking for is, "OK. I know what I need to do. I'm going to get to work, starting now." We've all got our own sob stories, we don't need to hear yours 20 times.

[Edmond Dantès]

You're not a victim. You're not your story.

It's easy. Let the pain control you or use your pain as motivation to become the best man you can become. That's all it is about.

Funny how so many guys here playing victim and complaining about themselves, their life situation and the circumstances they're in, get the best advice in the world and still don't wanna realise that they have to change, because - newsflash - your world won't.

Do you really think you're the one who suffered most? The one nobody can understand? The one with the hardest background, who ate the most shit?

Believe me you're not. I guess more than 70% of us had it as hard as you, but we grew through the pain that nearly killed us. We refused to let it kill us. We evolved and that's why we absolutely hate guys who just complain and complain and complain...

Change your attitude, start taking action, implement the advice given to you and you'll have a great life. Guaranteed.

[Reesays]

Okay, did three approaches at Starbucks today:

Approach number 1:

Black woman (light skin) who looked to be about my age

me: hi there =)
her: Ummmmm what!?
me: I said hi there
her: I am trying to just enjoy a drink, don't bother me
me: okay

5 minutes later when I am enjoying myself and sitting away from her. She comes up to me, tells me her name, I tell her mines. Told me she was a bit stressed, I say yaaa things get like that. We talked and then she walked away. Did try to ask her for her number and she did give it to me.


Approach number 2:

Brunette (very hot)

Me: Hi there, nice place to study right?
her: If I give you a minute of my time will you leave me alone and get away from me?
me: no, I will just do that right now
her: THANK GOD!

Approach number 3:

Blonde

Me: Hi there!
Her: Go away
Me: =(
Her: Either get lost or I will call the police
Me: okay *walk away with my head down*

all were 20 minutes apart from each other, usually did it when the other one left

The Brunette left, Blonde came in, then eventually the brunette came back, the two were study buddies. 10 minutes later, when I am sitting far away from the two and doing some homework (for some classes), I hear the two laughing hard. I looked in their direction and the brunette pointed at me and shook her head.

Then I looked away, she came over to me and said "awwww did I hurt your feelings?"

I ignored her, she took her finger and rubbed it against my right cheek, I looked her in the eyes. She said "you don't seem as outgoing now? whats the matter?"
Me: -gulp- "because you just didn't seem interested"
her: "Yaaaaa, I have standards, sorry!"
Me: "why are you here then?"
her: -smiles and shakes her head and then walks away-

Hmmm.

[Matty]

Holy shit, those are some rude chicks! Usually most people get over that in high school, but some just seem to carry on that kind of obnoxious behaviour into adulthood. You can take some solace in the fact that as you get older, people in general (mostly) get over the stuck up attitudes they had in high school, probably because people stop putting up with their shit.

[Trickster]

Reesays Wrote:Okay, did three approaches at Starbucks today:

Approach number 1:

Black woman (light skin) who looked to be about my age

me: hi there =)
her: Ummmmm what!?
me: I said hi there
her: I am trying to just enjoy a drink, don't bother me
me: okay

5 minutes later when I am enjoying myself and sitting away from her. She comes up to me, tells me her name, I tell her mines. Told me she was a bit stressed, I say yaaa things get like that. We talked and then she walked away. Did try to ask her for her number and she did give it to me.


Approach number 2:

Brunette (very hot)

Me: Hi there, nice place to study right?
her: If I give you a minute of my time will you leave me alone and get away from me?
me: no, I will just do that right now
her: THANK GOD!

Approach number 3:

Blonde

Me: Hi there!
Her: Go away
Me: =(
Her: Either get lost or I will call the police
Me: okay *walk away with my head down*

all were 20 minutes apart from each other, usually did it when the other one left

The Brunette left, Blonde came in, then eventually the brunette came back, the two were study buddies. 10 minutes later, when I am sitting far away from the two and doing some homework (for some classes), I hear the two laughing hard. I looked in their direction and the brunette pointed at me and shook her head.

Then I looked away, she came over to me and said "awwww did I hurt your feelings?"

I ignored her, she took her finger and rubbed it against my right cheek, I looked her in the eyes. She said "you don't seem as outgoing now? whats the matter?"
Me: -gulp- "because you just didn't seem interested"
her: "Yaaaaa, I have standards, sorry!"
Me: "why are you here then?"
her: -smiles and shakes her head and then walks away-

Hmmm.

Seriously. This has never ever happened to me. Ever. Like, I've been blown out pretty brutally at clubs before on consecutive occasions, but clubs are loud and girls get hit on like dozens of times a night and can be pretty harsh in rejection, especially towards the end of the night. But at a coffee shop? During the day? That's unbelievable. The only possible explanation is that you approached every person in Starbucks and others saw you do this and this put them off. But really, even during the day if your game sucks people are still generally polite.

[Reesays]

well my college is generally like high school, seriously, IT IS

but hey the Black girl was nice to me

the brunette was so cute though!