Shouldn't the point of "game" or "PUA" be to pick up all kinds of women? (my log)

[Reesays]

My last topic was deleted, I wish it wasn't but it was anyways. As I stated early on, made progress with the dates and such but apparently you guys are expecting a one night stand in a god awfully tough situation. Regardless, I want to attack a point.

Often when the issue of "race" (and lets be real, it is an issue, big or small, who knows) comes up, people have often told me either:

1. Find girls who are more inclined to like your type of guys, aka find a Black, Latin, or White girl who would love Indian movies
2. Stick to your own kind (on the internet that is)

Personally, my ego, personality, and way of thinking isn't like that. I want to know, shouldn't "game" or whatever you wanna call it, serve the purpose of making your seduction or attraction skills SO GOOD that a girl who would usually not date a guy with your attributes will be more than willing to sleep with you and go out with you?

OH BUT WAIT, YOU WANNA HEAR WHAT PROGRESS I HAVE MADE

Well, soon I plan on going to UGA, reality is that it is a school BIG on greek life. So I found a sorority girl at my university at the library, started a small conversation with her. Asked her what she was studying (after sitting at a table across from hers for about 15 minutes). She looked at me, laughed, and then went back to studying. I replied saying "must be comedy". She just looked, shook her head and then went back to studying. Ya, rejection hurts but honestly, I like pretty girls, most pretty girls in my area are White and at my university they are in sororities. There ya go, my first go, I make another one tomorrow or this weekend and you be my coach or counselor or whatever.

BUT DO NOT FORGET TO ANSWER MY INITIAL QUESTION.

[Mark]

Your topic wasn't deleted, it was locked.

The answer to your question is no: the idea that "game" can win over a girl who is not interested in you into being interested in you is a myth. We all get rejected all the time, even those of us who have really tight "game." It's part of the deal, so get used to it.

[Reesays]

Mark Wrote:Your topic wasn't deleted, it was locked.

The answer to your question is no: the idea that "game" can win over a girl who is not interested in you into being interested in you is a myth. We all get rejected all the time, even those of us who have really tight "game." It's part of the deal, so get used to it.

well then why even learn game if you are so limited in an area like the bible belt?

shouldn't a guy who a girl is normally not interested in become the guy the girl becomes interested in due to how he carries himself?

[Mark]

I don't always enjoy his stuff, but Roosh had a fantastic post today: http://www.rooshv.com/everything-i-know-about-women

May be applicable to you.

[Mark]

Reesays Wrote:well then why even learn game if you are so limited in an area like the bible belt?

shouldn't a guy who a girl is normally not interested in become the guy the girl becomes interested in due to how he carries himself?

You're not very limited.

Why don't you read this for a third time: http://postmasculine.com/you-are-not-a-victim

It obviously hasn't sunk in yet.

[zkelvin]

First of all, congrats on making an effort despite your prejudices about Southern white chicks.

Not sure I understand the situation fully, but it sounds like she laughed because of your approach. Approaching a chick in the library while she's studying isn't ideal-- there's a good chance she won't be open to distractions. And even if she is, there's a good chance she'll be embarrassed by being hit on so conspicuously in a library. Also, opening with "what are you studying?" probably wasn't the best. It makes it obvious to her that you're interested in her (you don't really care what she's studying), but you also haven't owned up to the fact that you're interested in her. This is probably what she laughed about-- you tried hiding your intent, but completely failed.

Next time, try just approaching a girl on campus (where it's not incredibly conspicuous) and saying "Hi, I thought you were kind of cute and I wanted to meet you. I'm Reesays." And then you can ask what she's studying, or whatever.

In response to your question, the point of "game" is to enrich your life in whatever ways you deem most worthy-- whether you purely want your perfect 10 life-long partner wife, or you want to bang 100 chicks in your 20s, or whatever.

[zkelvin]

Mark Wrote:I don't always enjoy his stuff, but Roosh had a fantastic post today: http://www.rooshv.com/everything-i-know-about-women

May be applicable to you.

That's a really great article, but I still find it a bit disappointing. It's true that if you enrich your life and yourself in every way possible that things will just start falling into place after a few years. But I still think that, absolutely, there are a few things you can teach a guy that will really speed up the process and make it overall more enjoyable.

[Tim]

That was such an on the money reply by zkelvin, and in such good faith, that I feel it deserves a little support.

The point of 'game', isn't to get every girl, it's to express your desires, and to do what YOU CAN DO, regardless of your external situation. It's to satisfy that little voice in your head that is telling you that you're better than just sitting around on the internet making up excuses about your life. Go read that post by Mark every day or so for the next few weeks, trying to get a bit more out of it each time. And for god's sake, don't keep arguing here. I promise you, whatever you thought was going to change in your life because of 'game', will never ever happen if you're just here to argue and not to learn.

[Reesays]

Mark Wrote:I don't always enjoy his stuff, but Roosh had a fantastic post today: http://www.rooshv.com/everything-i-know-about-women

May be applicable to you.

I am not going to read something from a bigot who makes up stories and is a

1. misogynist
2. racist (totem pole)

Before I came here I went on there and I am not saying be a white knight or whatever but those guys take it to the extreme. Where do you think a lot of these racial hang ups came from? Used to be that I saw myself as a non-White down here and that was it. Then I read some of his blog posts about how

1. Being rich or whatever will hurt your chances with women (rich guys who still don't get laid)
2. Italian and Spaniard men have it easy with women (totem pole or whatever)

Majority of his forum stuff is BS. Guy could not get a girl in Denmark to sleep with him, blamed it on a billion of other things. I am trying NOT to be that guy.

I hope you are not his friend. Because if I just insulted your buddy, you don't even have to ban me, let me know, I will resign and go elsewhere.

[Mark]

Hah... well, it looks like we finally found something we agree on Reesays. I think Roosh is an angry person and I don't care for a lot of what he writes. Regardless, I thought that was a good post.

[Tim]

Goddamn it man! Stop talking and start listening!

Mark Wrote:I don't always enjoy his stuff

Do you think that implies that Mark is his friend?

You can learn from everybody, so even if he is a racist and mysogynist, read the damn post. Do you think Mark would recommend it if it was racist?

[CHB2]

Yeah, I think there are things that will hold you back anywhere. Some places are definitely better than others, but all have issues. If the area you are in is making progress impossible, then just focus on other areas of your life until you can transfer and then try to make more progress with women. Some people make it until their mid-20s or later without ever getting much of anywhere with girls. My good friend just had his first girlfriend at 22, so it's not the end of the world.

Regarding your question of being able to attract people who wouldn't otherwise be attractive, I would say that's not realistic. I have a few female friends who have hard and fast rules about various attributes of men: height, age, etc. I am not saying that nobody who doesn't meet them won't succeed, but for instance one of them is pretty tall and she does not date men shorter than her. A short guy MAY be able to attract her, but it would be much harder if not impossible in my opinion. Another is only into older men, as in more than 10 years older than her. I see guys around my age approaching her all the time, but she doesn't give them the time of day. I know it sucks, but there are definitely some girls out there who will flat out reject you based upon the color of your skin. There are also some who may actually have a preference for you based upon that same reason. Just stick it out for now. Good luck with the transfer, and once you are done with school moving to a big city like NYC you will probably have easier time than in bible belt.

[Mark]

Tim Wrote:Goddamn it man! Stop talking and start listening!

Seriously... enough has been written in this kid's last three threads to last him 6-12 months. Yet, he just writes, writes, writes, the same thing over and over and over again.

[Reesays]

Mark Wrote:Hah... well, it looks like we finally found something we agree on Reesays. I think Roosh is an angry person and I don't care for a lot of what he writes. Regardless, I thought that was a good post.

I spent some time on his forum before coming here, I voluntarily deleted my account on there. The guy was a nut but only that, I realized that a lot of the pick up stories on his site was indeed fictional. See I also post on bodybuilding (for muscle advice and gains and tips). They have this section called "the misc", well some users there decided to go to his forum and what they managed to do was expose some of its top members (MiXX) as frauds. Roosh deleted the posts like a few days later (he was away from his forum apparently) but just the top users crying for moderator help made me lose all worth in him.

Fast forward, point being, the guy most likely made that whole story up. I mean seriously, PUT ME IN DC, I will get laid more than him. But enough ranting.

The reason I posted this thread is, well, down here, I already have one strike going against me.

There have been girls down here I have liked, I liked the way they looked, some of them I liked for more than just looks. Reality is, majority of them (when the talk of preferences has come up and they do normally come up down here) have said "White only".

A part of me says and I think THIS IS DANGEROUS "screw it, she says White only? Women don't always do what they say, they say they want nice guys, they go for the bad boys. Take your shot!!!"
Another part of me, well you see that OTHER PART of me here.

Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Mixed, Indians, in my experience down here just talking to people about this, everyone has it worst. Thing is, I have read sites like Roosh V's and various others, conclusion that comes up there is Indians have it bad worldwide.

Not making excuses in case you think I am but apparently you are aware of this. My ideal or goal then becomes to land a girl in bed with me who would otherwise not be into brown guys and apparently from what I have read all over the web, that is the case everywhere. HENCE why I asked how do I keep my head up DESPITE the negativity. I do keep it up for most of the time.

How about I do 2 more approaches this weekend and get back to ya!

[Leo]

How can you make him stop over-analyzing? That wouldn't be helpful for him and for a lot of guys? Or these are guys that are obsessive and there's nothing to do about it? It seems that he doesn't even notice it! But it happens again and again with a different number of guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis

[Reesays]

Leo Wrote:How can you make him stop over-analyzing? That wouldn't be helpful for him and for a lot of guys? Or these are guys that are obsessive and there's nothing to do about it? It seems that he doesn't even notice it! But it happens again and again with a different number of guys.

Over analyzing WHAT. When you have girls who openly say "White only" and guy friends who feel sorry for you without you even know, your mind does start to wonder off.

It is not like I just sit on my a** all day (heck, I am not on this forum 24/7) and bargain for sympathy, I have done and will do approaches. Next post I make will be of how I approached a girl, not about life and sociology.

[Traindom]

Mark Wrote:I don't always enjoy his stuff, but Roosh had a fantastic post today: http://www.rooshv.com/everything-i-know-about-women

May be applicable to you.

Damn, that was a pretty good post. It reminds me of those old passages you would read in literature. They're called parables, I believe? I'd refer more people to it if it didn't give such a stellar first impression of Roosh to people who can't distill the good from the whole.

[Tim]

Reesays Wrote:Next post I make will be of how I approached a girl, not about life and sociology.[/b]

I am looking forward to this. Seriously; no malice intended.

[Leo]

In that case ACCEPT you are gonna be rejected more than the average white guy and just do it. That's it, nothing else to THINK about it. BTW I'm a foreigner too, so I know what I'm talking about. Or you can do what I do, go to places where you can be attractive, in my case I'm latino I go to salsa clubs, meetups to speak spanish, etc. Or date girls from your country, what else can you do? I've seen beautiful Indians girls. Why some people get obsessive with what they can't get? There's must be a fucking explanation for that.
Whe a girl says to you: white only, is when you need a strong self-esteem. Read books about self-esteem.

[Mark]

The other fact you may not be considering Reesays, is that colleges are very social circle oriented, and in general, cold approach is less effective. I wrote about this a lot in 2008. But what you may be thinking of as a bunch of "white only" sorority girls may actually just be "frat only" sorority girls.

Also, I'd like to address these girls who claim they "only" date white guys. See, women (and men too), are terrible judges of what they're attracted to. You asked earlier if "game" could overcome a girl who wasn't interested in you. And the answer is still no. But you have to realize that a lot of times women don't know what they're actually interested in. They say they don't like short guys, or black guys, or big guys, or whatever... and then one comes along that charms her and it all goes out the window. It's not his game that did it, it's just her own ignorance to what she's interested in. Women do it. We do it. Everyone does it.

I did an IAmA thread on Reddit last year. A short guy posted with very similar posts to you about how he was short and no girls would date a short guy. Of course I told him this was BS and he should continue to approach women taller than him, despite being at a disadvantage. Just deal with it. We all have areas where we're at a disadvantage. Some are just more obvious than others.

Anyway, some other guy came back and said he had asked all of his female friends if they'd ever hook up with a guy shorter than them and they said no. My response was this:

"Yeah. That reminds me of the time where a girl older than me told me she'd never hook up with a younger guy. Or the Indian girl who told me that she could never date a white guy. Or my ex's friend who said she could never hook up with me because of my ex. Or the Argentinian girl who told me she'd never be with a foreign guy.


I mean they all fucked me anyway. But your post just reminded me of them."

Even the most true stereotypes have exceptions. Are you going to choose to be one?

[Reesays]

Leo Wrote:In that case ACCEPT you are gonna be rejected more than the average white guy and just do it. That's it, nothing else to THINK about it. BTW I'm a foreigner too, so I know what I'm talking about. Or you can do what I do, go to places where you can be attractive, in my case I'm latino I go to salsa clubs, meetups to speak spanish, etc. Or date girls from your country, what else can you do? I've seen beautiful Indians girls. Why some people get obsessive with what they can't get? There's must be a fucking explanation for that.
Whe a girl says to you: white only, is when you need a strong self-esteem. Read books about self-esteem.

Ugh, hate to go back on my word but here I go.

She did not say White only to me, they said it to a WHOLE CLASS.

And wtf is this whole get an Indian girl thing? What do you mean by foreigner, you don't know me and haven't walked in my shoes for a minute to say you know what you are talking about regarding my situation. Eitherways, get an Indian girl? I don't wanna be one of those loser Indian guys who ends up begging mama for an arranged marriage, screw that. If I wanted to screw Indian women only, I would

1. NOT make an effort to improve myself
2. Never come on here
3. Never bother lifting weights or doing approaches
4. Never even worry about whatever

I can be a fat, ugly, out of shape, dumb, etc. whatever kind of guy and still get an indian girl to screw just by begging my parents but I don't want to do that and my parents do not want to go through all that.

And honestly, don't take this as me accusing you of being in the KKK but when people have told me or others to stick with their own kind or hinted at it, it usually has some malicious intentions behind it. Often it can be guys not wanting competition telling others to stay away or those who deep down have a disdain for race mixing.

Mark and others have been useful with the advice. I would love it if you refrained from giving yours because I do not see it helping me. I have dealt with guys who had your attitude in real life before and it has ended up a disaster.

Mark, if you think I am closing myself off from some views, I am not, but I do not see Leo's helping me at all and in fact I see them as rather limiting.

[Reesays]

-sigh-

I have class tomorrow, gotta get some sleep. Approach log posted tomorrow night, before that I am not even coming on here. I do want to say that so far, here is how I see it ending up in terms of the main idea.

1. I tell everyone my story and issue
2. Everyone gets the whole overly optimistic attitude
3. There is one senior member (and this is in every forum I notice) who has an issue with me wanting to do what I want to do (whether it is one night stands or date a girl of a different color)
4. I end up getting into a shouting match with that member
5. Alienate the decent users trying to help
6. Ban or I either earn the label of troll

One day a man died and went to Heaven. St. Peter
met him and said"I'm really sorry, but it wasn't your turn yet. I am going to grant you a wish and return you to Earth". The man said "You know, I hate flying and boats, so build me a road between California and Hawaii."
St Peter exclaimed "That is a physical imposibility, I can't do it." So the man said "OK, give me the ability to understand women." St. Peter thinks for a moment, and then says "Would you like that 2 or 4 lane?"

[Good Looking Loser]

I'd say the point of 'game' is to attract the females you want... moreso than 'all kinds'
thats why I'm big on screening them based on the criteria you are looking for, moreso than trying to cater to their sexual timetable and personality
good discussion.

[Mark]

Reesays: I would say your banning/trolling label has less to do with your specific issue -- race issues come up all the time on forums -- and more to do with your inability to listen and digest a lot of the advice being given you. When people go out of their way to write long replies to you and you come back with nothing but a "Yeah, but..." response, not only does it discourage us from helping you, but it gets annoying too.

[CHB2]

@Mark Even if girls don't always know what they want, would you agree that many women have a "type" in the same way that many men do?

@Reesays At the end of the day, you can't always date who you want. There are plenty of girls I would love to date who don't want to date me, for a variety of reasons. All you can do is work on improving yourself so you can find someone who I will like, and will make you happier. I think that was the point of the Roosh point. Good luck with it.