Life-Changing Products?

[Alexander]

Hey ya'll,

I'm getting really blown away by Mark's Sexual Confidence Program. I used to think that "products" are not a good investment of money, but I've changed my mind as a result of this one.

So, my question is, what are the best products on getting better with women that you've experienced?

Thanks!

Alexander

[Trickster]

I really liked "Sex God Method" by Daniel Rose.

[Evnp]

I'm not sure if you're into this sort of thing, but I've been trying self-hypnosis products by Hypnotica. His sphinx of imagination program is quite powerful. I can't say I'm specifically better with women because this program actually will effect one person differently than another, but I can say I'm definitely more focused lately. Even if you're not into I'd say try it out at least once because this will totally trip you out!! lol

Btw I've seen you post about the sexual confidence program a couple of times. I've been wondering myself as to whether or not I should give it a shot. How would you rate it so far? And how long do you think it would take someone to complete?

[Tim]

All the Postmasculine stuff... obviously

I think David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating is relevant if teasing women doesn't come naturally to you. Cocky comedy is good, but not so much the rest of it.

What area of dating are you trying to improve on? The only thing Models doesn't really cover at least briefly is relationships. I honestly don't believe you need to read much else if you've read that. Really only very practical advice, such as the programs, are going to help you improve from there. Otherwise it's just about how much effort you put in.

[SeXyBaCk]

I see a real risk in reading too much which leads to overthinking and ultimately inertness (the analysis paralysis). The programs are a good way to get you to follow a structured schedule of practice. Practice and comfort is all you need. Don't fall into the trap of feeling like you're getting better with women by knowing more.

Concerning comfort: in addition to tackling your own inhibitions and anxieties you need to engage in what I like to call "ball-building" activities. Going on dates for instance. Getting a woman to like and want you (even if you're not that into her) will make you feel better about yourself and make you realise your ability to attract women). Can't get yourself to ask a pretty girl on a date for whatever reason? Well how about just ask a less attractive or somewhat chubby/dorky one? You know, the homely desk girl of your office building or at your dentists. Use people, or more precisely some women to build up your ego. Just.do.it. At the same time exercise and do healthy stuff to make you feel sexy. Treat yourself to some new clothes. You need to treat yourself good before you can do it to others.

[Matt II]

The good things I got out of David Ds´ stuff was the abundance menatality. Cocky and funny never worked for me. As I started implementing it I had two women that I had a shot with tell me that they think I am an arrogant prick.
Anyway, what helped me the most was 60 Years of Challenges "Complete Game Revision" and Marks´ book "Models" and his articels on Practical Pickup.

[Nick]

Mark's other programs

No More Mr. Nice Guy - You should already know all about it from the sexual confidence program.

Personally, I would avoid all the pickup suggestions made above like the plague. Just stick with Mark's 3 programs and you should avoid most of the pitfalls of the pickup scene.

[Alvar]

^ Yup, stay away from DD and pickup stuff. I learned a lot from DD, and would not be here if it wasn't for him but his framework is highly unhealthy. It's the whole "you're not good enough yet, just follow the Guru's (his) directions and, in the mean time, buy this overpriced product and this other..." Sure, he has great info if you can just absorb the ideas and leave the suggestions but that is harder than you'd think. Besides, you can find a wealth of information from great books.

[Dazed]

(08-21-2012 08:43 AM)SeXyBaCk Wrote:  Concerning comfort: in addition to tackling your own inhibitions and anxieties you need to engage in what I like to call "ball-building" activities. Going on dates for instance. Getting a woman to like and want you (even if you're not that into her) will make you feel better about yourself and make you realise your ability to attract women). Can't get yourself to ask a pretty girl on a date for whatever reason? Well how about just ask a less attractive or somewhat chubby/dorky one? You know, the homely desk girl of your office building or at your dentists. Use people, or more precisely some women to build up your ego. Just.do.it. At the same time exercise and do healthy stuff to make you feel sexy. Treat yourself to some new clothes. You need to treat yourself good before you can do it to others.

It doesn't concern the topic...but you've gave me some good ideas. I have problems with sexual neediness. Usually, I date only attractive girls. Since, I don't have a good sex life, I'm horny and I become needy toward these girls. It's like I just want to get in their pants... I was dating an average chubby girl during the summer, she was really into me and I didn't really care about her. She was ready to give me casual sex. Maybe having sex with an average girl while dating other girls would help me kill the neediness...

[domr]

Honestly a good gym membership with a good diet and workout plan will probably change your life more than any pickup book will.

[Jon]

I liked Date Hotter Girls' 4 Elements of Game. Probably the best book about tactics I read.

A word of warning. If you buy a David D product, make sure to opt out of the interview series at check out. I did not, and I could not figure out how to cancel it. I ultimately had to tell my card company to block the charges.

[ZaurieL]

(08-21-2012 06:47 PM)domr Wrote:  Honestly a good gym membership with a good diet and workout plan will probably change your life more than any pickup book will.

Wrong, maybe you get some good intial reactions or interested looks from (some-and-not-so-hot) girls. But all the rest is your work to do - and if the odds are at your side. It isn't even close a "life-changing" tactics, just a good start as Mark says.

5 straight years living healthy is the proof of that for me.

OT: I'm currently reading Mark's Models. Very good. 60 Years of Challenge, Rob Judge and Zack Bauer's Four Elements of Game and Daniel Rose's SGM. I don't need anymore, it would be harmful more.

[SeXyBaCk]

(08-21-2012 06:44 PM)Dazed Wrote:  It doesn't concern the topic...but you've gave me some good ideas. I have problems with sexual neediness. Usually, I date only attractive girls. Since, I don't have a good sex life, I'm horny and I become needy toward these girls. It's like I just want to get in their pants... I was dating an average chubby girl during the summer, she was really into me and I didn't really care about her. She was ready to give me casual sex. Maybe having sex with an average girl while dating other girls would help me kill the neediness...

Imo any emotional or physical intimate contact with a female is the best form of practice when it comes to game and confidence. The more sex you have the better you get at it, or at least expressing yourself in your sexuality and feeling more comfortable being in the moment. Having lots of casual relationships definitely helps countering neediness.

When a woman is really into you it's much easier to dominant, boss them around and get your freak on... use them a little bit. It's not something you need to keep doing but it's a good experience to have at least once. It's all part of discovering who you really are and what you want to be like with women. It's good to be in the driving seat at least once in a while

[domr]

(08-21-2012 08:37 PM)ZaurieL Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 06:47 PM)domr Wrote:  Honestly a good gym membership with a good diet and workout plan will probably change your life more than any pickup book will.

Wrong, maybe you get some good intial reactions or interested looks from (some-and-not-so-hot) girls. But all the rest is your work to do - and if the odds are at your side. It isn't even close a "life-changing" tactics, just a good start as Mark says.

5 straight years living healthy is the proof of that for me.

OT: I'm currently reading Mark's Models. Very good. 60 Years of Challenge, Rob Judge and Zack Bauer's Four Elements of Game and Daniel Rose's SGM. I don't need anymore, it would be harmful more.

It's much more then that. If she doesn't find you attractive she won't even give you the time of day. Now the amount of "work" you have to put in depends on how attractive she finds you. if she is head over heels in love with you, at first sight, you just don't fuck it up and she'll make sure things happen. Hell you can't even practice improving your game if the girl doesn't give you a chance.

Second if you just go out and talk to people, people that actually want you to talk to them (which working out will help), just socialize, you'll figure out a lot of the stuff the pickup artists write down in there books.

[Traindom]

(08-21-2012 08:56 PM)SeXyBaCk Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 06:44 PM)Dazed Wrote:  It doesn't concern the topic...but you've gave me some good ideas. I have problems with sexual neediness. Usually, I date only attractive girls. Since, I don't have a good sex life, I'm horny and I become needy toward these girls. It's like I just want to get in their pants... I was dating an average chubby girl during the summer, she was really into me and I didn't really care about her. She was ready to give me casual sex. Maybe having sex with an average girl while dating other girls would help me kill the neediness...

Imo any emotional or physical intimate contact with a female is the best form of practice when it comes to game and confidence. The more sex you have the better you get at it, or at least expressing yourself in your sexuality and feeling more comfortable being in the moment. Having lots of casual relationships definitely helps countering neediness.

When a woman is really into you it's much easier to dominant, boss them around and get your freak on... use them a little bit. It's not something you need to keep doing but it's a good experience to have at least once. It's all part of discovering who you really are and what you want to be like with women. It's good to be in the driving seat at least once in a while

This is with women one would be attracted to, right? I personally wouldn't touch a woman I wasn't attracted to in the least just for the experience, even if it felt easier. I'd rather choke on my own vomit than get an unattractive girl off. I could understand this with girls who are cute rather than really beautiful but with average or unattractive girls, ehhh...

[Spikes]

^ Yeah I did this once and I felt really bad about myself for a few days, I don't think its worth having sex with a woman you don't find attractive.

[Victory]

You are your own best life changing product.
I've read a shit ton (Too Much) pua garbage, and they are all are saying pretty much the same thing. blah blah blah.
But...
What I learned from my experience in that "community" is to believe in myself, give myself permission to try then fail and learn from those experiences. To express myself to women, and be with with women I want to be with, and not the ones that just want to be with me. (I hope that makes sense) Yes, "to be myself" but really the key is to be able to be better at being myself. I feel that I will always be improving in those ways because I am learning from experiences that I am choosing. Plus, I go to the gym a lot... I've read Models, and yes it is the best book that I have read that could be considered to be PUA. I also feel that it is more than just another PUA book. I'm also doing the sexual confidence program and loving it. I feel that it is real, yet it totally self guided, which is harder but also more real. Again, I hope that makes sense.
As I just typed that I feel that it was pretty self-aggrandizing. My bad... My point is that all this PUA shit is really with in yourself. Just believe in your self and give your self permission to do.

[SeXyBaCk]

This is rather unrelated to the OP but, but nonetheless

(08-22-2012 12:59 AM)Traindom Wrote:  [This is with women one would be attracted to, right? I personally wouldn't touch a woman I wasn't attracted to in the least just for the experience, even if it felt easier. I'd rather choke on my own vomit than get an unattractive girl off. I could understand this with girls who are cute rather than really beautiful but with average or unattractive girls, ehhh...

Yes, I meant if you noticed them in first place, I'm going to assume they're at least somewhat cute, correct? What I'm saying is eventually you have to get past the talking and trying to hook them, start the heavy flirting and sexual innuendos, go for the make out and move them to the bedroom. Obviously you can't be intimate with someone you feel no attraction with or even are repulsed by their physical appearance but sometimes you meet a woman who is ditsy or otherwise a bit annoying, I still feel you should always aim to have as much fun as possible with her. I'm not advising on letting yourself be picked up at random. But sometimes you have to let your expectations go down a notch. There are a lot of kind cute and willing (maybe 135 instead of 115 lbs) women out there who are longing to be shown a good time. And you never know, maybe you'll fall in love. Stranger things have happened. And for your own development, you need to learn and practice getting women off. That's when they start calling you for sex. It's a huge ego boost. And that's my definition of being good with women: when they accept you with your quirks and quips (being oyurself) while still wanting to be intimate.

In regard to exercise and gyms: you're doing it for yourself, to feel healthy, sexy and better about yourself. I do it for the endorphine buzz alone and the sweating sensation. It's the vibe of being a healthy, young, energetic person that is attractive to women, not being ripped or the circumference of your biceps, those are beyond secondary. If you're a lardass, look at it this way: sometimes in life you just have to force yourself to do something before it comes an enjoyable habit. Think of brushing teeth as a kid, you hated it right? And now? It's a great feeling.

[Traindom]

Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining!

[Alexander]

Big appreciation on all your thoughts, guys. I have joined a gym (after 30 years of not doing so), and I have to admit, it feels great. Last night I had two drinks (in a kind of business dinner where the other person really encouraged me to drink), came home and felt stupid for being a little drunk and not wanting to go to the gym in that state. Went anyway and it felt awesome.