Juggernaut's journal/FRs

[juggernaut92]

Alright well I am deciding I am going to go on a 30 day challenge talking to 5 women a day. I might extend it past a month depending on the amount of time I have.

Day 1: April 26th, 2012
I went to two different malls and just chatted up some women. It was mostly just small talk and it did not lead anywhere but I am going to push myself harder and harder every day. For some reason the pressure seems more on when I am doing a challenge like this.

[SeXyBaCk]

Victoria Secrets makes my eyes bulge. So which mall does she work at? me thinks I want to go put my moves on her, I'm a sucker for asians. You better beat me to it. You're totally putting this off and you know it, but alright.

I wouldn't go too far out of your way to approach...sitting on a train for 40 minutes thinking about how it's going to be will only add to the pressure. Come out of class..over to the road to the bakery or coffee shop...ask the till girl how her days is going and when she gets off. Even if she's 16 with braces and pimples... a woman is a woman is a woman and you're engaging. Don't let your mind visualise and ponder how it'll go and such stuff, it'll all just add tension, instead recite a song lyric or movie lines to yourself while you're walking over.

[baller08]

Quote:Its just in the back of my mind I still believe I will fuck it up and not get the girl also I am scared of rejection as well. I will work on myself and when I feel ready, I will seek her out.

Juggernaut - by now you've read a ton of stuff, you've been on this forum for awhile. List all the things that are horribly wrong about that one sentence up there.

[juggernaut92]

@sexyback: LOL yeah I dont want you to steal her from me. Yeah that is a good way to release the tension
@baller: lol the people on this forum are relentless. Yes that is true that I have read/watched a lot of material. When I am reading/watching it feels so empowering and then when I am actually in field and see girls I just get paralysed with fear. My thoughts just fill up with negative thoughts and then I just don't pull the trigger. I experience a lot of resistance but I have fought it before and approached girls. I just got to push through it. Plus the long journey ahead makes me lose motivation.

Day 2: April 27th, 2012
Well today I went to college to take care of something. I did my 5 approaches at college. I was not in a good mood because the school cut off my locker and confiscated my belongings with out warning so I had to take care of that. I saw a lot of cuties in college but I just was not feeling it for some reason. I was sitting on a couch and there was this cute girl sitting beside me. I hesitated for like 5 minutes and then I finally asked her an opinion opener. It was about the friendzone lol. Her friend came within a minute and then she forgot about me and was engaged with her friend. I felt pretty depressed and just left home. I gotta push myself more and stay out later.

[playmaker001]

It's scientifically proven that desensitization can drastically help anxiety. Take Mark's approach program and do every exercise five more times than you think you should. You'll be over your fears in no time.

[baller08]

juggernaut - you still haven't listed what is wrong with the sentence you wrote. There are so many indicators of your thought process that if you don't recognize it you can ask 1000 girls what time it is and it will make very little difference.

You're trying to clean the inside of a sealed ink bottle by dragging it through the ocean. But no matter how much water the ocean contains and no matter how fast you drag it, the inside of the bottle won't get cleaned till you open that sealed cap.

So take me through that sentence...what is wrong with what you said? Because your words reflects your thoughts.

[juggernaut92]

@playmaker: I would but I am a little tight on cash right now. I heard it is pretty good. The only thing is that for some reason I stop at a certain point just like I did with what I was doing. I just have a mind that does not shut up and think that some of the exercises are plain stupid so I dont know. Also, I have plenty of other stuff so I dont want this to be another purchase that will just collect dust.
@baller: Well I guess you are probably referring to my thought process and how I believe I will fuck up with all the girls I talk to. I really dont know what to do with that belief. I always kind of want to put off pickup and study more hoping I will find something great that will inspire me to take action. It sounds stupid but that is what I am thinking and I really don't know what to do about it.

[juggernaut92]

Day 3: April 28th, 2012

So today I hit up downtown toronto with two wings.

It was pretty fun. My wings opened up many sets and I did not do so much. I opened at least around 5-6 sets. I opened this two set in the mall and it went like this:

J:Hey I thought you were really cute and I just had to meet you
HB1: thanks!
(I introduce myself to both of them)
J (to my targets friend): Hey I am just absolutley in love wiht your friend and I was wondering if I could borrow her for a bit
HB2: well...we are actually busy right now.
J: ohh alright that sucks. well it was nice meeting you
HB1: yeah it was nice meeting you two!

I kind of pussied out at the end as she actually looked disappointed that I was leaving and I still did not take her number down. I guess I did not want to ruin it lol.

I approach more sets in the street and none of them hit as the girls just keep walking by. As me and my buddy are taking the train home I see this cutie come onto the train. My buddy pushes me to make the approach and after a few minutes I finally do. It was very uncalibrated but she was really nice. I was nervous as fuck as she looked like she was in her mid-twenties. She just told me that she was going to work and that she is a writer. She had to get off at the very next stop. After she left, the guy sitting across from me started laughing at me. I was like whatever. I wanted to tell him that his gf was ugly but that would not help anyone lol.

I really like going downtown with wings. It makes it a lot more fun. The only thing is that I have to not be reliant on other people. Most of the time I will be out solo so I gotta be good at that too.

[Jon]

Quote:J (to my targets friend): Hey I am just absolutley in love wiht your friend and I was wondering if I could borrow her for a bit

that is a bit over the top in my opinion. You don't need to go that far

Also, i know this goes against what a lot of people say but I never saw the point in isolating. Just have the conversation, get the number in front of the friend. I have never really needed to isolate. This is to the point that my friend and I picked up two girls, hooked up with them, but they never left eachothers' presence until he pulled his girl into the bedroom.

[juggernaut92]

@jon: Yeah lol, it was over the top and I thought the same.

That is actually pretty interesting. Well the thing is I am still a beginner at this point and I am just going through trial and error to see what works but for sure next time I will take this into consideration.

Day 4: April 29th, 2012

Hit up Toronto with my boys. I kind of just became a spectator as I saw these two just hit up every set lol. I approached a few girls here and there but it did not go too well.

There was this one girl who I did run across the street for who I had a nice chat with. She was a pretty cute girl and we just talked for a little bit. She lived in guelph and was visiting toronto. I wanted to get the number but then I just decided I would get her on facebook instead since she is so far away. She seemed into me and I might chat her up and see if she wants a day 2 if she is ever in toronto again. Kind of a stretch but who knows. Looking back maybe I should of just went on an instant date. I will keep it in mind for next time.

Also, I am becoming more and more social in general. I say hi to ym neighbors now as opposed to just being anti soical. I also know now that I am 100% capable of approaching women so there is no excuse as to not approach.

[juggernaut92]

Day 5: April 30th, 2012

Well today I go to my college first. I see a few cuties but I get approach anxiety for some reason. Some good news that I found out today is that I have an interview for being a security guard at my college pub so that is cool. Got the interview next week.

I decide to head back to my local mall. I walk around for a little while and then I just get crazy anxious for some reason. I do some indirect approaches for warm up but I still feel scared to death. I guess I am being a little too reliant on people with me when I am approaching. I need to approach as soon as I see a girl. If I dont then I will just go into a really anxious state. Tomorrow will be a better day.

[Jon]

(04-30-2012 01:45 AM)juggernaut92 Wrote:  @jon: Yeah lol, it was over the top and I thought the same.

That is actually pretty interesting. Well the thing is I am still a beginner at this point and I am just going through trial and error to see what works but for sure next time I will take this into consideration.

Yeah, I actually hadn't really thought about it until I read your post and thought, "ok he's obviously trying to isolate, I totally have stopped doing that and I don't think it hurts me."

[baller08]

Juggernaut, you said -

Quote:Well I guess you are probably referring to my thought process and how I believe I will fuck up with all the girls I talk to. I really dont know what to do with that belief. I always kind of want to put off pickup and study more hoping I will find something great that will inspire me to take action. It sounds stupid but that is what I am thinking and I really don't know what to do about it.

Quote:Hit up Toronto with my boys. I kind of just became a spectator as I saw these two just hit up every set lol.

Here is my response to that:

The way to do this is to go out and talk to women and go through trial and error. This will lead you onto a long and fun journey but by the end you will have a wide variety of women to choose from and to date.

Just go up to her and be upfront. Tell her that you like her and want her to grab coffee with you. It seems like a big task but this is the only way to do it.

You have to understand that it does not matter how good looking you are, women will most likely never come up and approach you to talk. It happens rarely but most of the time you will have to make the decision to talk to her.

I'm sure you recognize it since I just copied and pasted your response to JustAGuy HERE. This is what playmaker was referring to when he made this thread HERE.

It's good to try to help, but don't tell someone to do something that you can barely do yourself. Till you reach a certain level of competence, the advice you give will not contain the details that can only come with experience.

For example, your advice to "just tell her you like her and ask her to grab a cup of coffee"...that isn't going to help JustAGuy in his situation. How has that worked for you? If you went up to 20 girls today and followed you own advice, how many do you think will go on a date with you? Why didn't you do that this past weekend in Toronto?

See what I mean? Don't give advice based on things others have told you. If you're going to help someone, make sure you've actually done it yourself AND its something you can consistently recreate.

BTW: Good job continuing to go out and push. But don't waste your time just being a spectator...your boys are doing it, no reason why you can't.

[juggernaut92]

@jon: yeah lol. Well you seem to be advanced so it probably didn't cross your mind
@baller:yeah I see what you mean. I was kind of more or less trying to get his foot in the door with the pickup stuff because clearly I can do that. But yeah I have asked for dates before in my other challenge but I should be a little more consistent and stick to what I am good at for now and thanks. I do have one thing and that is persistence. Yes, I should stop spectating but usually the tiniest rationalization stops me from approaching lol. I gotta just kill my thoughts and go in.

[juggernaut92]

Day 6: May 1st, 2012

Today I went to a different places. First I hit up my local mall. I was pretty relaxed today for some reason.

I walked past this cute asian girl. I sat down in the terminal station for a bit contemplating whehter to approach or not. I finally sacked up and talked to her. The interaction was bad cause she had a thick accent and I could not understand half the stuff she was saying. I asked her if she wanted to hang out and she said that she had her flight back tommorow (she was from new brunswick). I was like okay nice to meet you and then left. She was seeing her friends right then so I could not set up an instant date.

The second set was in the mall. I approached her and said my usual stuff but she just looked like I was trying to sign her up for world vision or something and then walked off. I felt a little discouraged after that but I remained in control of my emotions and kept going. I saw this cute girl and let her pass by me then turned around and opened her. I said that she does not look like she is from around here. She says she is... and that is when the interaction ends lol. I had nothing else to say/ I could not think of anything. She just said " I have to go shopping now bye". I did a couple of other sets which were mostly indirect.

The thing that I realize is that I have to work on ploughing a bit more and keeping up the conversation. I am happy that I can now approach more easily.

[SeXyBaCk]

You're doing the hardest part already by opening your mouth and getting their attention. Keep doing it, it'll come with practice. Don't ask yes or no question...ask open ended questions. Like "so what are you shopping for today? You look like you need my impeccable fashion advice".

If they walk off you can always try the "don't run away from me pretty lady", they'll probably keep laughing, maybe one in 5 will stop and turn around ...most will claim to have a boyfriend, to which you can say you can still talk to me. You really just want to practice right now.

[baller08]

(04-30-2012 11:12 PM)juggernaut92 Wrote:  @baller:yeah I see what you mean. I was kind of more or less trying to get his foot in the door with the pickup stuff because clearly I can do that.

I don't follow. You can clearly do what?

[juggernaut92]

@sexyback: Yes I agree with you. Practice is what I need right now although I want some results really badly (numbers or day2s) but everything takes time lol.
@baller: well I was going to say that I can clearly talk to girls but I am having trouble with that too so I guess I need to work on that for myself before telling others that

Day 7: May 2nd, 2012

I did one approach at the bus terminal and was talking to this girl. I let the conversation drop and then that was it. For some weird reason I believe that once we get on the bus we dont know eachother or she wouldnt want to sit beside me lol. Some stupid beliefs of mine. Next time this scenario happens I will keep talking and sit next to her on the bus.

Anyways, I go to the small mall beside my doctors and there are actually a few cuties in there. I just walk past them and dont stop them. I feel really hungry and say to myself that I will approach right after I eat. I go eat BK and that was probably the biggest mistake I made that day lol. I felt like absolute shit after that. I will be going back on my diet starting tomorrow. I walk to the bus stop and standing there I see this perfect blonde. I kinda walk around her for like 5 minutes and then I just beat myself for it once I get on the bus. I kept thinking that it would look awkard if I get off the bus and approach her since it would just come off as creepy so I didnt approach her even though we got off at the same stop. The rest of the time I felt like shit. I chatted up a couple of girls but left after a bit because I had to pick up my brother.

I need to eliminate this hesitation I have and be more in control of my mood.

[juggernaut92]

Day 8: May 3rd, 2012

Today I went to my local mall to do pickup and it just went horribly. I saw plenty of girls but just let them slip by. I did some approaches that did not go anywhere and that was it. I felt tired, my knees started aching, and I was really hungry lol. I was in and out of the mall in like 30 minutes. Felt pretty defeated. It was just I feel like I just dont know what to say to the girl when I open them lol. I should just take the advice of other people but I want the pickup to be perfect. Which I now realize is unrealistic lol.

I will be going to an event with my buddy in the evening and there will be plenty of girls there so I will post up how it went later on.

[baller08]

Notice how most guys with high AA will often say they're tired, hungry, in a bad mood, "just didn't feel like it" when describing why they didn't approach.

This is why for guys with high AA you have to start off with coming up with a routine that take out the "I don't know what to say" problem. You're nervous, you're going to freeze....routines help you get past that. It's not fake so long it's something that you actually have some interest in.

There is no such thing as "no routines". If you walk up to a girl and stop her and ask her where she is from. That's a routine. If you ask about her hobbies, that's a routine. If you say, "you don't look like you're from around here", that's a routine! They're just boring routines that will not elicit any type of interest, curiousity or attraction especially if you're fearful and have no strong sexual vibe.

Stop using "I don't know what to say" as an excuse. Put together a routine and start getting some experience. You have to start somewhere, just don't stay there.

If it'll make you feel better call it, "My topics of interesting conversations" or "Interesting Talking Points"....whatever. Stop worrying about if it's PUA or anti-PUA or whatever the bullshit that's trendy that really has nothing to do with your life.

None of it matters. Do what you need to do to get past your current obstacles so you can get experience with actual women.

[juggernaut92]

@baller: by far this is the best advice you have given. I guess when I think about it I am kind of dying to be a "natural" and want to get good with girls without using "routines". However, the way you put it makes sense to me and pretty much everything is a routine. The thing that bothers me the most is that my buddy that I kinda started this pick up journey with has been getting success (phone numbers and day 2s) and he is very spontaneous. I was comparing myself with him too much and wanted to get girls the same way he does so that was probably messing me up the most. So I will work on some simple routine for when I go out tomorrow.

[baller08]

Good for you. Be open to trying different things. But you CANNOT use that as an excuse not to talk to women. (ie: well let me read up on that more first)

Don't compare yourself to your friend because you probably started off at different places and he probably has mentally moved further than you so his actions are going to come across better.

Don't ever compare yourself with other guys when you're improving. The only person you need to compare yourself to is the past you. Is the today you better than last week's version of you? By this summer, will this version of you have more women and better experiences than the 2011 version of you?

That's the only marker that counts. Whatever you need to do to get there...do it. Don't identify with this school of game or this dating coach or that forum. This is your life, everything else is just sources to learn from, not live in.

But you have to fail man. Your fear of failure, like 80% of the men here, is what is holding you back. If you want to know the most important "technique" of all it's the 3 Second Rule. That is the only thing you need to worry about right now. That is your god. You follow that without question. That is the only "rule" you need to follow at this point in time.

[juggernaut92]

@baller: Yeah, my friend actually did start off at a different place than me and I agree I am just afraid of failing. I was actually thinking the 3-second rule was pretty important even though it is a bit old. Its just a bit hard because sometimes I see the girl but my mind just says the approach is going to fail so I don't approach. Just got to get rid of the negative thoughts.

Day 8 continued and Day 9

So me and my buddy ended up going to this fundraising event. When it starts to pick up I look around and there are plenty of girls there. For some reason I was sitting on the couch and I just started shaking. I was so scared to make an approach even though this was a party event where the main idea is to socialize. I guess in my head I was just beating myself because there were plenty of beautiful girls and I was just sitting on the couch smoking sheesha like a loser. I honestly felt like crying. Me and my friend went to the patio and we talked a bit. He is a non-community guy but he is pretty cool. I told him what was on my mind and he told me to calm the fuck down. It was actually my first time being to something like this and he said its not my fault. After our talk I felt a bit better and calmed down. I ate some bbq and then I played billiards with some people. I am glad my friend was there to calm me down or I would of just ran out of the house or somethign lol. Overall, I look back and it was a fun night. I did go up to two girls and just briefly chatted with them.

Today I wont be going out. My knees feel absolutley fucked so I dont want to do anything to hurt them more by walking in the streets of toronto for like a few hours so I am taking the day off. I will go twice as hard tomorrow.

[baller08]

Dude...there is no old...there is no new. Do you think what Mystery taught is new or old? Do you think what Mark is teaching is new or old?

Millions of men before us have done all of this stuff already. The only thing dating coaches are doing is packaging it differently and in smaller bite size chunks so that brain washed, fearful males can finally grow some balls again.

Your event last night would have went a lot differently if you simply followed the 3 second rule. You spent more time TALKING about why you're afraid then actually going out and doing something about it. Haven't you talked enough on here? That's why I told you, the 3 second rule is your god...you follow it without hesitation. Actually for you it may be the 1 Second Rule.

And your knee is a lame excuse. You don't need a "few hours". Spend 15 minutes and open 5 women and then go home and ice your knee. You and I both know you won't go "twice as hard tomorrow" because you're going 0 right now. 2x0 is still 0.

All it takes is 15 minutes to open 5 women. Go do it.

[juggernaut92]

@baller: LOL 2x0=0. Damn man you should be the next Tony Robbins. You are good at motivating people haha. Well I followed your advice and went out for a bit.

Day 9: May 4th, 2012

Well today the weather looks bad so I go out for a little bit to do some approaches. I was trying to practice the 3 second rule more and more. I pass by this girl sitting down and did not approach her initially but then 5 seconds later I go in. I sit down next to her and talk:

J: hey I was walking by and I would probably kick myself if I didnt meet you-
HB: listen I am just waiting for my friend and I dont want to talk
J:wow you dont want to even talk for a minute
HB: no I dont. I am just waiting for my friends that is all
J: okay. Well it was nice meeting you

Then I just leave. That was by far the worst interaction ever. I dont take it personally but I still felt a bit shitty.

After that I did a couple of approaches and then I ran into a buddy of mine who also does pickup. We just chill and talk for a while. He tells me of how he recently pulled and I just ask him how do you get good with girls to the point of getting them to come home with you. He tells me that you just gotta fuck up like countless times and then there will be that one time where you do get the pull and you will start getting better from that point. I was kinda frustrated because he was telling me of how he got good but he did not tell me anything in specific (as in what to say, how physical to get, etc). Then I realized that he knew it was better for me to just figure it out then for him to just tell me it all. We went our seperate ways and then I just went home.