Is Mystery "good" at pick up?

[sledgehammer]

These days you hear tons of negative things about Mystery, anyone ever seen him "in field" ? Is he even any good with girls or is he just an "entertainer" that you so easily become with scripted routines?

[Brian]

Mystery is pretty good. I've seen him infield and he's probably the best i've seen. In fact, out of all the "guru's" i've seen, only mystery live up to the hype. The rest...including or especially tyler durden are full of shit.

[sledgehammer]

Brian Wrote:Mystery is pretty good. I've seen him infield and he's probably the best i've seen. In fact, out of all the "guru's" i've seen, only mystery live up to the hype. The rest...including or especially tyler durden are full of shit.

Interesting. So Tyler was shit huh? Ironicly hes the one going out 7 nights a week and is like obsessed with pickup lol

[TooFastForLove]

Who cares?

[Chaos]

TooFastForLove Wrote:Who cares?

Come on!! Gossip is the base of any decent culture

[TooFastForLove]

Chaos Wrote:Come on!! Gossip is the base of any decent culture

I swear, there's too many people from that scene who try to live vicariously through these guys. It's sad really.

[Matt T]

All the hate directed at guys like Mystery and pals is mainly the result of guys feeling pissed off that their pickup experience didn't live up to the sales copy.

[Justin]

Matt T Wrote:All the hate directed at guys like Mystery and pals is mainly the result of guys feeling pissed off that their pickup experience didn't live up to the sales copy.

Because to turn yourself into a truly confident and attractive male that to the HB9++++ of the world is not an easy task. I mean, ask mark. You have to have the complete package in order to stand out and even have a chance with them.

[Brian]

Justin Wrote:Because to turn yourself into a truly confident and attractive male that to the HB9++++ of the world is not an easy task. I mean, ask mark. You have to have the complete package in order to stand out and even have a chance with them.

Do you think mystery is a "complete package"? lol..no. But his game is pretty good for him to get the shallow "hb9" club girls.

First of all, the dude has presence with his peacocking. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to replicated that(at least i havent found a way to do it). I remember when i met him, the dude is already 6'6..AND he wore that 6 inch high heel, which made him 7 foot tall. He's the tallest dude in hte club. Then he wore that giant ass coat jacket that fit his identity as a "magician" making him larger than life. This is certainly impressive to most shallow club girls i'm sure.

He's also the master of micro-calculation on how to manipulate social value. Some of his tactic includes making sure girls leaning into him while leaning against the wall, merging sets, negging set, and dhv himself. I tried this shit for 2 years and after a while, i realize i cannot micro-calculate to that level(imagine in a fucking loudass nightclub, you must remember to merge set, negs, leaning against the wall, push/pull, dhv yourself, convey vunerability with lies...shit, the amount of bullshit you must run will easily set your brain explode). Not to mention i cannot peacock to that level for that matter. Essentially, to get that level of success, you must replicate EVERYTHING he does and frankly, it's impossible for most pua that i've met. He invented a system that works extremely well for him but too complicated for most people. But...not going to lie, it works.

When I look at it, mystery's game is a giant lie. The fact of the matter is, lying is the easiest and fastest way to get result with super hot girls. There are games out there that will destroy your self-esteem and get you chicks. Having access to cocaine will get you girls...but you realize you're a piece of shit. Lying about being some famous celebrity(assumign you look like him and your'e a good liar) will get you laid. But that will also further destroy your self-esteem. The only game that brings long term happiness is true confident and brutal honesty. Mark's game is harder in the short term but makes you happier in the long run.

[Jon]

I think its also worth noting that Mystery himself said it took him 6 years to get to 30 lays. So he had a very long learning curve.

[Mark]

Dude, Mystery can go 5 for 5, with HB10's and HB11's. Duh...

Get with the program.

[Harry Potter]

Jon Wrote:I think its also worth noting that Mystery himself said it took him 6 years to get to 30 lays. So he had a very long learning curve.

That's above average in terms of lay count alone but quite abysmal if he was going out night after night. Did he say anything about doing better after that?

[Jon]

Harry Potter Wrote:That's above average in terms of lay count alone but quite abysmal if he was going out night after night. Did he say anything about doing better after that?

Yes. He was saying he took 6 years to get good, and after that his results jumped up a lot.

[sledgehammer]

Jon Wrote:Yes. He was saying he took 6 years to get good, and after that his results jumped up a lot.

Where can u read about it?

[Jon]

sledgehammer Wrote:Where can u read about it?

I saw this in his mASF archives a while back.

[Brian]

Jon Wrote:I saw this in his mASF archives a while back.

Only 30 lays after 6 years? Was he half assing it? I have a buddy who got 70 lays after a year of the game. But he went out almost 7 days a week, approach like 40+ sets a day, and also have fairly low standard lol.

Mystery always claim that he only have sex with "women of great beauty". But even then, i know naturals who fuck hot chicks at a greater number than that within a year.

[Mark]

The bar was pretty low back in the day. The original "Lay Guide" which Style wrote about in "The Game" as inspiring him to join the community bragged about laying 16 girls in four years, which is hilariously low by today's standards.

[Tim]

Mark Wrote:The bar was pretty low back in the day. The original "Lay Guide" which Style wrote about in "The Game" as inspiring him to join the community bragged about laying 16 girls in four years, which is hilariously low by today's standards.

It's just completely ridiculous. Out of my friends (both male and female) the only difference between those who sleep with 4+ people per year and those who sleep with less is because of what they want. Their 'game'/relative attractiveness is all pretty equal or evens out within their demographics, and so if any of them aren't sleeping with 4 or more, then it's because they don't want one night stands. None of them have 'game', or know what PUA is, or any of that. They're just people, and some people tend to have sex with other people regularly enough to get 4 lays a year. It's bizarre that anyone should find that bizarre.

[Mark]

Yup. I honestly think if a guy just went out every other night and approached 5 girls like a normal dude, he'd sleep with more 4 a year. Hence my assertion that just about all early PUA theory was more or less a placebo.

[CharlesB]

Mark Wrote:Yup. I honestly think if a guy just went out every other night and approached 5 girls like a normal dude, he'd sleep with more 4 a year. Hence my assertion that just about all early PUA theory was more or less a placebo.

I was with some guys at a bar,and the subject went to "Books about"how to pick up women")I didn't mention that I am into this stuff,and I hear one of the guys,telling about his friend that he read a book,and when they went out he approached a group of girls,and brought them to the table,and then trying to make a tecnhnique to pick up the one in which he was interested..So he concluded that these books work.I wanted so badly to ask him,how many times have you gone out and approached a group of girls and invite them to your table?

[Jon]

Mark Wrote:Yup. I honestly think if a guy just went out every other night and approached 5 girls like a normal dude, he'd sleep with more 4 a year. Hence my assertion that just about all early PUA theory was more or less a placebo.

Probably depends on the guy's looks, style, and social skills, but yeah. I also suspect that the guys who were on those message boards back in 2000 were pretty low in terms of their fundamentals. It was Neil who did more than anyone else to attract normal guys to this.

[CHB2]

I think a lot of "normal guys" have a misunderstanding of what works. My friend, who has been described as looking like a 6'2 tom cruise , has been on an almost year long dry-spell. When I watch him interact with girls I can see that he basically never initiates physical contact with them. I'm not talking about grabbing their ass - he basically won't even touch their arm or back. I talked to him about it once and he said he doesn't want to be perceived as one of those creepy aggressive guys and that he is afraid that when he touches she will look at him and say "What are you doing?", which he thinks would crush him. So I do think that a lot of normal guys need to get over a few basic hurdles in order to greatly increase their success.

For me Mystery's approach only made things worse, since I am naturally very intellectual/in my head. I also got stuck repeatedly in the transition from the indirect opener to being more forward and showing my interest in the women. I got a lot out of Mark's advice that it is good to polarize people, since I get most of my success out of being being touchy feely with women. If a girl thinks its creepy for me to touch their arm or shoulder when first meeting them, then they probably aren't comfortable with their body (or don't find me at all attractive.. haha)

[Chaos]

Quote:Yup. I honestly think if a guy just went out every other night and approached 5 girls like a normal dude

I don't think so. The problem is that most guys aren't exactly "normal" when it comes to girls. Seriously, the term AFC is a real term and most guys just lost any kind of abilities the moment they approach a girl (I did).

Nowadays I see a lot of perfectly great interesting guys that just lack a lot of basics... they will dress poorly, groom poorly and specially lost all confidence with any girl they haven't know for at least a couple of months... with that in mind approaches are just pathetic... not because the guy is not normal or a great guy, but because he becomes another person the moment he walks up to a girl.

I specially recall this friend that you could call a "natural". He does not have problems with girls, he dress ok, and usually gets laid... as long as the girl is within his social circle or the girl actually opens him. If he's the one that have to approach he becomes a person I don't recognize...

[Gill]

Not to take any credits from Mystery or Neil, but guys, bear in mind that... Neil Strauss lied about his "2 years" "0 - superhero" storyline. His "the game" book was already planned years ago when he first started with Ross Jeffries. Just look for his original archive on mASF which have been "replaced" to fit the current timeline. And it took him more than 4-5 years before he could become the "PUA" ( based on a survey made by his marketing buddy Thundercat - which is stated as "official"). Not to mention his duo with Mystery relied a lot on their social proofing (come on, the guy has written on Jenna / Marilyn Manson / Motley Crue and is a NY best seller, do you think he's not going at least to mention it at some point ?).

I think Mystery is pretty good (his intelligence / experience / voice intonation / comfort building and trust you get from him), but again, what works for him... Just works for him only. The biggest shift for me personally was to understand you'll ultimately attract the type of girl you're worth yourself. If you're just shy and nice and is looking for LTR, you'll find shier and nicer girl for LTR, if you're mean / bad boy oriented for ONS, you'll probably hook with naughty ones for short term craziness. It will be pretty obvious to say : just sticks what works for you and "specialize" yourself in the type of women you want, and be the best at it.

[Brian]

I believe 3 years ago when i talked to mystery, his lay count is 400+. His quality is also pretty high while guys like sinn might have 300+ lays but you have to wonder how many of them are fat chicks lol(it's pretty much well known that sinn will stick his dick into anything while he's a pretty good looking dude). Mark's count is around 100, but if the majority of them are hot chicks, then i'm impress. Never the less, in terms of inner game perspective, model is better than anything mystery wrote.

However, in terms of tactical base game, mystery is probably very good at picking up hot club girls. Now is he worth 10,000 dollar for a bootcamp?

FUCK NO.