I'm curious; what do I need to do?

[blah]

Soooo...I'm 27. Never had a girlfriend. Only banged one time in my life. People say I'm "stunning" and "beautiful" pretty frequently. Women smile at me, or look down most of the time when we exchange eyes. In pua terms, it's IOIs galore. I have my shit together. I'm getting my law degree, I'm well traveled, do cool shit with my friends..blah blah blah. But, whenever I talk to a girl...No matter how relaxed I am or how aggressive I am, it seems like I never had a chance to begin with. Girls just do not like me. If I talk to a pretty girl, her friends turn up the smug factor instantly and act too cool for me to even be in the same room. Effortlessly blowing me out. Yet every other guy who bullshitted with them before I walked up was getting laughs and hugs. Am I boring? But I always see boring ass dudes with girls. It's like I have no choice in this whole girl matter. If I ignore them, nothing will happen and they disappear after giving me a wtf/death stare. Or if I do approach, they've "won" this little game by garnering my attention. I don't think I've ever even gone out with a girl I initiated an interaction with. So I just accept these eye fucks and do nothing, since nothing comes from them anyway, no matter how much (or little) effort I put into the interactions. I'm about to give up (not really). But what the hell? Nobody I know, even my friends who've racked up ridiculous stats and relationships have a drop of useful advice beside telling me it's not a big deal and they have no idea. Some say I don't express any interest. But when I do, whether it's touching, asking them questions, or just outright saying it, it has no effect. Let me know what's up, if you have any idea, because I'm entirely clueless. I'm not jumping on that "Am I destined to suck" bullshit, because I'm playing this to....get better, right.

[Chaos]

What can I say... if you're decently looking and interesting that looks really DO mean something. Just approach, say hi and get to know her... I've had laids that have come from an intense eye contact and me just approaching and telling her I find her cute and want to know her better... also I've had others where we didn't even get to know each other, we just made out, go to my home and fuck... so there really are girls out there that just wan a fuck with a hot guy and that's all, they don't need comfort or connection, just attraction.

Chances are you're just approaching in a needy way or acting needy... your post suggest that much... Oh, and buy Models, it changed the way I saw the whole "concept" of game and the way I thought about rejection.

[blah]

You're probably right. I could see myself as coming across needy in that I just kind of stand there and bullshit without conveying much more than the equation (guy + girl) and expecting her to extract the "fuck" from me. (huh...makes no sense to me, either..haha). I also suck at the "getting to know" piece. Does this happen during the first meet or through phone/text? My texting game is not good. I assume you're talking about real life, and not a club. I really have no experience, outside of second-hand accounts, and the whole thing looks like a foreign language from my perspective! I mean, I approach, I holler, but I don't really have any success to bank on.

And not to be dick, I don't really have the time to read books for leisure, let alone on game. I used to read Mark's blog back when he was Entropy blogspot. I had a pua period: the (lair) guys I rolled with were terrible with women and were genuinely angry/insecure people mostly interested in portraying the image in front of other guys. Too weird to incorporate them into my normal life or bring them around my friends. I could never wholly subscribe to those "systems." I also followed the practicalpickup when it launched, since it seemed like sound information from a credible..human, while everyone else was using abstracts and lying. To be honest, I'm quite sick of Mark (just kidding).

Thanks for the words, though.

[Justin]

blah Wrote:I had a pua period: the (lair) guys I rolled with were terrible with women and were genuinely angry/insecure people mostly interested in portraying the image in front of other guys. Too weird to incorporate them into my normal life or bring them around my friends.

I had that period too. I've met guys off the internet and went out with them. It's frustrating to go out with guys you have absolutely no chemistry with or they're just so socially unaware that they creep out the girls and then show up to a sausagefest.

You're a lot like me. I'm a relatively good looking guy who hasn't had much success (mainly due to horrible logistics). I've had jealous guys see me as competition and lash out at me. I've been cockblocked then more times then I can count. I'm more focused on finding an area to live in where I can meet lots of women and making genuine friends I like.

[Halo Effect]

blah, in your conversations with girls, how often do you:
- ask for her number?
- ask her out on a date?
- try to kiss her?
- attempt to get her down to your place?

And how do girls respond when you go for these closes?

How often do you talk to new women?

[blah]

What's up Halo,

-not enough
-not nearly enough
-on dates...always.
-on dates...always.

–kisses are reciprocated; the voyage back to the crib is more of a "not just yet" thing, but they fancy the idea.

–the nail on the head. I talk to new women a lot, but my intent is so indirect. I betray my desires, so I may as well be talking to Assisted Living Facility residents. I'm essentially playing a woman's game, instead of the man's role. I don't make a girl feel beautiful. I never compliment. It's like my attention = interest. Not quite. Instead it implies my self-denial, disinterest, or downright timidness.