Hot girls with guys with no game.

[Leo]

It's kinda common to see hot girls with guys with no game. Guys that don't know anything about the community, they don't have a good BL, they don't dress well, they are not confident BUT they are with a hot girl? How is this possible?

[Matt T]

How do you know that they don't have game?

Also they might be wealthy.

[Jon]

having good game is important for volume, but not necessary for quality. Good body language and confidence is important to getting your foot in the door with enough women that you have lots of options. But, a guy with a good lifestyle and shitty game who meets a girl at a party with a good intro from a friend can totally end up with a hot girl.

[Leo]

Jon Wrote:having good game is important for volume, but not necessary for quality.

Thank God you pointed that out. I've always prefered quality over quantity. Maybe that's why I don't feel so comfortable in this community.

Quote:How do you know that they don't have game?

It's pretty obvious. In the same way you know when a woman is sexy you can know when a guy has no game. I used to be one of them, anyway.

Well, I've seen couples like these in my social circle. In one case the guy pursued the hot girl with trust issues for over a year. I guess she prefered trust rather than attraction. In another case the hot girl was with a guy with no game, they were living together but she dumped him for another guy. Sad but true.

Quote:But, a guy with a good lifestyle and shitty game who meets a girl at a party with a good intro from a friend can totally end up with a hot girl.

That's my point. We study so much, we dedicate so much time to know about women and I've seen nerdy guys with astounding women. In the venue where I go for dancing there's an astounding hot woman married with a nerdy guy. This kind of case goes against what is fundamental for us to create attraction. None of these guys that I'm talking about have a good BL, they don't look confident, the girls grabs their hand and drag them around the venue, etc, etc. I think for some women attraction is not so important, maybe trust is even more important. Who knows?

[Schmechti]

This is actually something I'm thinking about since some time. We make more approaches in a year than those guys in their entire life. I know a lot of guys who have a bad body language, no 'game', have a low confidence, are more or less boring, don't dress any special, but still get hot girls and often end up faster in a relationship. I'm still looking for the answer. I haven't figured it out yet.

Maybe it's like Leo said: trust > attraction

In many cases guys get to know girls in their social circle and build up trust over hours of hours of (normal) conversation in a time span of weeks or months.

[Leo]

Schmechti Wrote:This is actually something I'm thinking about since some time. We make more approaches in a year than those guys in their entire life. I know a lot of guys who have a bad body language, no 'game', have a low confidence, are more or less boring, don't dress any special, but still get hot girls and often end up faster in a relationship. I'm still looking for the answer. I haven't figured it out yet.

Maybe it's like Leo said: trust > attraction

In many cases guys get to know girls in their social circle and build up trust over hours of hours of (normal) conversation in a time span of weeks or months.

Something good about us is that we don't have to wait for months or even more than a year to be with a woman. That's something I love about being a PUA. I've seen guys pursuing girls for months and months until SHE is ready, of course these are girls with a lot of psychological issues and is a horrible way to be with a woman, waiting until she's ready to be with you. Fuck that! I like to have power AND OPTIONS in the dating world and is a lot better to be with a woman because you decided to be with her and not because she gave you the chance to be with you.

In the case that I mentioned before where the guy pursued the girl with trust issues for over a year he used to say things like: she's out of my league, I'll be lucky if she gives me a chance to be with her, etc. I don't want to be like that. They are now living together but what will happen when she gets used to the trust he provides to her? Probably she's gonna get bored and move on for more excitement. I think that's the explanation for those cases, hot girls with really bad trust issues that need a lot of reassurance to be with a guy, who's gonna be that guy? A guy without game, of course!

[Brian]

Leo Wrote:It's kinda common to see hot girls with guys with no game. Guys that don't know anything about the community, they don't have a good BL, they don't dress well, they are not confident BUT they are with a hot girl? How is this possible?

There's plenty of reason. If the guy has no game, but he is good looking, then DUH.

Also, he might have known her from her social circle. Social circle = massive comfort = automatic emotional connection. Emotional connection is actually way more powerful than any "tease" you can do to a girl to get her attracted.

[Leo]

Brian Wrote:There's plenty of reason. If the guy has no game, but he is good looking, then DUH.

I've met a LOT of good looking guys that can't have a GF. So, this is not true. BTW, I saw 2 hotties with guys without game last friday and they weren't good looking at all.

Quote:Also, he might have known her from her social circle. Social circle = massive comfort = automatic emotional connection. Emotional connection is actually way more powerful than any "tease" you can do to a girl to get her attracted.

This makes a lot more sense. And that's why we have to combine attraction with comfort.

[Tim]

Leo Wrote:This makes a lot more sense. And that's why we have to combine attraction with comfort.

Lol what is this comfort you speak of? Is that like the comfort my friend gave me by hugging me when my dog died and I cried? I'm not sure how I'm going to be able to make that happen next time I'm DHVing an HB10 who gave me IOIs when I AMOGged her friendzoned AFC.

[Matty]

Tim Wrote:Lol what is this comfort you speak of? Is that like the comfort my friend gave me by hugging me when my dog died and I cried? I'm not sure how I'm going to be able to make that happen next time I'm DHVing an HB10 who gave me IOIs when I AMOGged her friendzoned AFC.

Nice!

[IdEngager]

Ok, I've thought about this topic for a decent amount cause my best friend growing up and I have been on pretty much opposite sides of this forever. We've known each other since like the 6th grade, we've played a bunch of different sports together and share similar musical interests (how we've probably manged to stay friends for so long). but socially, pretty much polar opposites. I'm the one who's the partier, who everyone wants to hang out with, the one who gets girls unabashedly hitting on me, while he's goofy around strangers, but gets elected team captain and I have to say, has a long time girlfriend he is batting way out of his league with. At a bar, I look comfortable and in my element, while he seems terrified to interact with anyone he doesn't know, but in life, he generally gets what he wants.

I have to say, the one thing he excels at is really making people feel comfortable and trusting in him. While I always have a million things and a million interests on my mind, you interact with him and you know you'll be taken seriously and have his attention. You need someone to gather people people, make the phone calls, organize a trip, he's your man. He seems incredibly, almost absurdly passive at times (I've had yelling matches with him when I've felt he's been too nice, like taking himself out a game so someone else can play), but he pretty much always steps up when you need him to. I was almost shocked when I heard he almost broke up with his girl cause he was the one who wanted to explore other options. Bottom line is, if you can make people comfortable and trust in you, it opens up a lot of things (pun intended).

I really wouldn't have it any other way though. If it's not really congruent with the rest of your personality to be "the good guy everyone trusts", then it's not really going to work. I've never been the guy who wants to go to work, then crash and home and veg out in front of the TV, I get home and wanna play in my band, get out somewhere, explore new things. Both sides can learn from each other... if I let him know it's OK to be abrasive and confrontational once in a while, it's OK for me to trust and open up to people once in a while too.

EDIT: I have to add that my bandmate is wired the same way. I'm the one who gets the swoon, but he's the one who's dated someone for any decent amount of time more recently. I do 90% of the work to get new gigs, but he drags out most of our friends who actually come out. I have to say, while his circle of friends might be smaller, each interaction is probably deeper... we probably need each other in this way, me to push things and do most of the work (to be honest), him to keep things from flying all apart.

[Brian]

Leo Wrote:I've met a LOT of good looking guys that can't have a GF. So, this is not true. BTW, I saw 2 hotties with guys without game last friday and they weren't good looking at all.

There are plenty of dude who thinks they're good looking, but they're simply above average. The thing about looks is, if you're rellying on it alone, then you better be the top 5 percent. I still remember this one pua who posted on rsd forum saying, he's super good looking but cant get chicks. Then he posted his picture and i'm like...bro, you're super skinny and at best, looks like one of your generic pua at a local lair.

The guy who can get chicks PURELY on looks, looks like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DiFdg_LMhh0/SB...281%29.jpg

Yes, i have a buddy who looks like that and he reports having chicks going up to him at a house party asking him to go home with them.

Do you need to look like that? hell no. Become above average and have strong game still get tons of pussies.

PS: before i get flamed with homo jokes, i simply type in google "abercrombie and fitch male model". Easy find

[crazyhorse]

Personally if you're a likeable guy you can get FAR. Seriously it's insane, if other people feel special around you they'll like you. If there is one that the community vastly overestimates it's how "amazing" you have to be. Personally I find that all you need to do is excel at one thing that makes you stand out. And this last part is totally different for each person, it only gets problematic when people arn't playing to their strengths. If you arn't a natural leader, you probably won't become one. Ask you parents about how you where when you were a little kid and you'll be amazed at how much of you're true talent you were already showing. For me it was being strong in debates and being very good with words and people. Today this actually makes a lot of sense to me.

My guess is that this guy doesn't share much of himself and that the women are basically doing the talking most of the time. I can have 3-4 hours of conversations with very little input. Trust me, she will remember you.

Brian Wrote:There are plenty of dude who thinks they're good looking, but they're simply above average. The thing about looks is, if you're rellying on it alone, then you better be the top 5 percent. I still remember this one pua who posted on rsd forum saying, he's super good looking but cant get chicks. Then he posted his picture and i'm like...bro, you're super skinny and at best, looks like one of your generic pua at a local lair.

The guy who can get chicks PURELY on looks, looks like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DiFdg_LMhh0/SB...281%29.jpg

Yes, i have a buddy who looks like that and he reports having chicks going up to him at a house party asking him to go home with them.

Do you need to look like that? hell no. Become above average and have strong game still get tons of pussies.

PS: before i get flamed with homo jokes, i simply type in google "abercrombie and fitch male model". Easy find

The problem that a lot of men have who think they are good looking is this: hey I'm a 9.5 on hot or not damm I'm really sexy. If you have got to really on hot or not to even know whether you're good looking, then you probably arn't that good looking.

real life experience will tell you this:
- ever had a girl buy you a drink after you approached her? Ever been the guy she chooses over another guy who basically hooked up with her last week? Every walked into a store and had a girl walk up to you and tell you that you're hot? Girls adding you on facebook? anonymous girls that are paying the bill for you?.....

That's how you know that you're good looking. Hell I've had some of these stories even when I was fat, bad dressed and had a sucky haircut.

sidenote: a good example of being delusional is Assanova (realmademen). Especially his post "good looking men shouldn't go to night clubs". The reason, they are other good looking men around. Trust me if you line up with a bunch of other good looking dudes and you don't stand out a single bit, you're not that good looking.

on the other hand he can still offer great advice but every once in a while he gets really weird.

Just read this: http://www.realmademen.com/2011/11/whats...e-men.html

[Brian]

I"ve seen assanova's picture and he's above average. My guess is that he used to be below average, hit the gym, get the 6 pack and became above average. His game + his above average looks = laid. He is certainly not good looking enough compare to a buddy of mine who is so good looking he never once talk about his looks. He just stand there and gets result.

Become that likable is pretty hard actually lol, but i see what you mean. I realize being likable is actually one of my biggest weakness because growing up being super persimistic.

I personally think, in order to be likable, you have a combine trait of:

1. Feeling super happy and satisfy with your own life.
2. Actually like other people and find 10x more positive qualities in other people than negative ones.

[Leo]

Tim Wrote:Lol what is this comfort you speak of? Is that like the comfort my friend gave me by hugging me when my dog died and I cried? I'm not sure how I'm going to be able to make that happen next time I'm DHVing an HB10 who gave me IOIs when I AMOGged her friendzoned AFC.

Good luck with your LMRs bro!

[Alvar]

Didn't Mark wrote a post on this subject - how we match each other with similar people?
These hot women are flawed as well and probably would not want to be with guys like you. When you develop yourself you're placing yourself outside their demographics, if you were ever there.

[Mark]

Review the three fundamentals!

Lifestyle/Identity = Quality
Courage/Boldness = Quantity
Social Skills = Efficiency

The three fundamentals answer so many basic questions, it's ridic.

[Brian]

Mark Wrote:Review the three fundamentals!

Lifestyle/Identity = Quality
Courage/Boldness = Quantity
Social Skills = Efficiency

The three fundamentals answer so many basic questions, it's ridic.

So basically a dude who's super good looking with a super solid social circle, zero social anxiety/sexual anxiety and fantastic game will get tons of chicks?

Sounds about right. I saw plenty of these in real life lol.

[Tim]

Mark Wrote:Review the three fundamentals!

Lifestyle/Identity = Quality
Courage/Boldness = Quantity
Social Skills = Efficiency

The three fundamentals answer so many basic questions, it's ridic.

I don't know Mark... You've only slept with 100+ women, coached dozens of guys, and spent the last 5+years of your life working on this stuff. Do you really think you have the qualification to speak on something like this?

[crazyhorse]

Brian Wrote:I"ve seen assanova's picture and he's above average. My guess is that he used to be below average, hit the gym, get the 6 pack and became above average. His game + his above average looks = laid. He is certainly not good looking enough compare to a buddy of mine who is so good looking he never once talk about his looks. He just stand there and gets result.

Become that likable is pretty hard actually lol, but i see what you mean. I realize being likable is actually one of my biggest weakness because growing up being super persimistic.

I personally think, in order to be likable, you have a combine trait of:

1. Feeling super happy and satisfy with your own life.
2. Actually like other people and find 10x more positive qualities in other people than negative ones.

I don't think he's ugly but he shouldn't make bullshit statements such as "I'm very good looking" and then make statements such as "if you're good looking don't go to nightclubs, cause all the men in nightclubs are good looking and you don't stand out". I sometimes get annoyed by these statements.

lol Brian

Yeah just being likeable is actually huge. This was always one of my strengths and now I've maximized it. I can literally talk to a new group and withing 5 minutes people start to think "hey this guy is really cool". Basically you don't need to make yourself cool, just make them look cool. This works 10 times better and nobody likes a guy who's perfect so to speak.

I have another friend who's also very good looking. When he was in 5th grade all the girls told him "you do realize that you can get every girl you want here" and every girl I've dated told me "yeah he's sexy". This guy hasn't even invested a single thing in his looks. So I can imagine what will happen it he would just dress better, get a haircut etc.. The only problem is that I can't get him to leave the house, lol. But if he gets out it's pretty nice to see how women respond to him. Basically the dude lost his virginity when a model like girl approached him. LOL.

A huge part for me was actually dropping the teasing, and just focusing on getting to know here. I've never seen that one fail.

Hey we all have our strengths and weaknesses.:eek:

[Mike]

I agree with Mark and think behavior is the most important aspect. I currently live in Scottsdale, AZ and there are many beautiful women, but there's also a lot of really good-looking and successful guys as well. After being around these guys for awhile and making a lot of friends you simply stop comparing yourself to people, because you realize they're human beings too.

Yes, some of them get laid like rockstars, but they have balls. At first I would use their good-looks as an excuse for why I didn't do well, but it's still an excuse. It's important to understand you can't change your physical attributes like height and facial structure so you must accept it. Compare yourself to yourself.

[Matt T]

Can you blame Assanova? By being an arrogant asshat, he's kinda living up to his name.

On a similar note, I remember someone criticizing Tyler Durden for ranting about consumerism or whatever in one of his products. But think of what the actual Tyler Durden did...

[Mark]

Brian Wrote:So basically a dude who's super good looking with a super solid social circle, zero social anxiety/sexual anxiety and fantastic game will get tons of chicks?

Sounds about right. I saw plenty of these in real life lol.

Well the beauty of the three fundamentals is that they explain situations like this. An awkward millionaire with amazing social connections will fuck really hot chicks, but just very infrequently. A total deadbeat with no fear or anxiety will fuck a lot of mediocre girls (like PUA's). Etc.

[Chaos]

In addition to all the rest... seriously, having no "game" doesn't mean a thing, and being hot doesn't either.

Unless this is say your best friend going out with a woman that you've known all your life I find it hard to believe that you can actually tell something about them just by seeing them or just by seeing them. Other than the fact that she's hot, he's not and he seems not to have good game I don't think you can rationally say anything about them.

The ranges go from:
- Really hot girl with a crap personality and lot of issues to really hot girl with an amazing personality and charm.
- Clumsy guy with no personality, no confidence and so on or amazing guy which is really not interested in impressing anyone by being different of who he really is.

There's a lot of mixes in that range that would click in that range. After all, I landed some hot girls in my times before I even heard anything about the game and I can assure you I had NO game and wasn't confident at all... but still my personality, even then, clicked with some of those women.

[Mark]

Chaos brings up a good point: just because she's hot doesn't mean she's such a catch.