Freiheitlich Daygame Adventures

[baller08]

Quote:"I was tired"
"I was tired and in a bad mood"
"I was low energy"
"I did not see any attractive girls"

You have Approach Anxiety in a very big way. Don't kid yourself to say you don't. You weren't tired, there were tons of girls....you're just making excuses to avoid the uncomfortableness of AA.

Quote:"I just want a girlfriend"

You give off tons of desperation vibes when you talk to girls. You can approach another 500 girls and it won't make a difference. This is why they don't give you numbers and for the few that do, they flake on you.

You have to go back to the basics and really understand why your attitude is very unattractive to ALL women. Right now you're using a hammer to try to fix a cracked window. Go read some of David DeAngelo's free newsletters before you do any approaches. Your mindset is completely off.

[freiheitlich]

I will stop report my activities. I see now value to do it. But remeber the game is learning in field. I try to approach almost every day.

[luda]

500 approaches and you've got nothing to show for it. I think Playmaker is right in that you should work on your demographics. You can still approach girls while you doing your normal activities such as going to the gym. I just think going to malls with the intent of "sarging" is unattractive and not healthy

[Jon]

(04-25-2012 07:13 AM)freiheitlich Wrote:  I will stop report my activities. I see now value to do it. But remeber the game is learning in field. I try to approach almost every day.

In your case I actually disagree. You are clearly working very hard at approaching. Nobody should question that. However, it does not seem like you are doing a good job of analyzing your specific problems. A lot of us would be happy to help you - you are certainly putting in the leg work - but I think we need some more information. If you want some specific advice could you describe in detail

1) what your lifestyle is like

2) what you actually say to women when you approach them.

And again, detail. 500 words a piece on these two topics.

[freiheitlich]

Friends,

you can see my records below.

I have no energy to approach. What can I do?

[Tobias]

That you do not answer Jon's questions shows that you either don't want to answer them or you can't answer them due to a lack self-awareness. I have never seen a specific discription of your issues.

[freiheitlich]

Today I was 3 hours in Field. I did not approach, I had no motivationn. This Gaming are killing me.

[Tim]

Freiheitlich, why are you approaching women? Why is it important for you to become 'successful' with women? If you don't ever feel motivation to approach or enjoy it, why are you doing it? These are serious, important questions that you need to answer if you ever really want to improve. I'm not asking them rhetorically, nor am I trying to be a dick. I think it's very important that you answer them, and if you do it here on the forums then we might be able to help you with them.

[Spikes]

Jon and Tim are right. if you don't describe what you're doing, explain what your saying to the women, describe what you feel your sticking points are, your journal is nothing more than numbers and that's useful to no one.

[SeXyBaCk]

Frei, you weren't "in field", you were going for a mindless stroll. Stop putting pressure on yourself.

[freiheitlich]

(07-07-2012 05:59 PM)Tim Wrote:  Freiheitlich, why are you approaching women? Why is it important for you to become 'successful' with women? If you don't ever feel motivation to approach or enjoy it, why are you doing it? These are serious, important questions that you need to answer if you ever really want to improve. I'm not asking them rhetorically, nor am I trying to be a dick. I think it's very important that you answer them, and if you do it here on the forums then we might be able to help you with them.

Freiheitlich, why are you approaching women?
To get a attractive women

Why is it important for you to become 'successful' with women?
This is not important for me, i just ONE attractive women

If you don't ever feel motivation to approach or enjoy it, why are you doing it?
To get one attractive Women, it is biological necassary.

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(07-07-2012 07:20 PM)Spikes Wrote:  Jon and Tim are right. if you don't describe what you're doing, explain what your saying to the women, describe what you feel your sticking points are, your journal is nothing more than numbers and that's useful to no one.

I already described my biggest Sticking Point, no arousal if I see a hot women.

[Tim]

Ok, I think that's a start.

When you say you want to 'get' an attractive woman, what do you mean? You just want to sleep with one or do you want a girlfriend?

Just because it's biologically necessary, why does this motivate you to do it? Do you see an attractive woman and desire her sexually? Because from what you've been saying it doesn't. So there doesn't seem to be any evidence of biological necessity. When you first read about 'game' or whatever, what were your thoughts afterwards? Why did you decide to start approaching women?

To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, here are my answers for two of those questions.

Why do you approach women?
-Because I feel physically attracted to them
-Because I am curious as to what they might be like as a person
-Because I enjoy the excitement and nervousness as I do it
-Because I want sex and I might want it with them
-Because I want to get to know them, and form a connection with them
-Because I have insecurities about sex and women, so I want to prove something to myself
-Because I feel an obligation to, that comes from being so immersed in and reading dating advice. Why I become this way I cover below

Why is it important for you to become successful with women?
-Because I like being around women, and I want to enjoy that time as much as possible
-Because I wasn't very successful when I was younger, leading me to overcompensate now
-Because I like the aspect of improving myself, and making every experience richer
-Because I thought it would give me confidence
-Because I thought it would give me a power and certainty I felt I was missing
-Because I love having fun experiences with women and I want to have more of them

Now some of those reasons are not the best ones to have, and some are good. But the point is that I am aware of them and acknowledge them. You seem to have no awareness of why you're doing this, beyond that you feel some sort of obligation. Why is this feeling of obligation there? Most guys when they first read stuff about 'game' find it amusing and a little weird, and then move on with their lives. I didn't, for the reasons listed above. You didn't either, and you need to figure out what your reasons are.

[Mark]

I approach women because being around pretty girls makes me happy... sometimes I think it makes me a little too happy, haha.

[Thenewguy]

I agree with Baller. You're bullshitting in saying that you're tired or don't feel like approaching girls. Yet, you go outside with the intention of doing it.

When I was doing the approach program (which I recommend you do) I remember I would go to the mall with the intent of approaching people, and I would all of the sudden out of nowhere realize I'm tired. I remembered how my mind will be full of shit when it wants to keep me from doing something. So I'm sure my mind is giving me symptoms just so I don't have to deal with this situation.

Eventually, as I started approaching, when I got to about the second or third one, I suddenly started feeling energized again. It actually made me laugh how much my body was trying to bullshit me.

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Your body body's gonna bullshit however it can to keep you from facing your fears... don't let it win... I know you actually want to succeed in this, don't let it stop you.

[freiheitlich]

(07-07-2012 11:31 PM)Thenewguy Wrote:  I agree with Baller. You're bullshitting in saying that you're tired or don't feel like approaching girls. Yet, you go outside with the intention of doing it.

When I was doing the approach program (which I recommend you do) I remember I would go to the mall with the intent of approaching people, and I would all of the sudden out of nowhere realize I'm tired. I remembered how my mind will be full of shit when it wants to keep me from doing something. So I'm sure my mind is giving me symptoms just so I don't have to deal with this situation.

Eventually, as I started approaching, when I got to about the second or third one, I suddenly started feeling energized again. It actually made me laugh how much my body was trying to bullshit me.

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Your body body's gonna bullshit however it can to keep you from facing your fears... don't let it win... I know you actually want to succeed in this, don't let it stop you.

Yes It could be like you said. I also believe i could be a symptom of massive frustration.

[Jack Sparrow]

Hey, I know your frustration. But is the frustration from not getting results? Or from not improving?

If your baseline lifestyle/personality is at a pretty low level, it's gonna take a LONG time to get result.

But anyone can improve. If you just tell yourself today - I am gonna make 5 approaches, and I am gonna focus on projecting a warm smile, and hold eye contact. If you manage to do that, that's an accomplishment, and you should feel good about yourself.

I find guys who succeed at learning pick-up are very good at giving themselves a pat in the back. Saying to themselves, "Hey, I am doing alright. I am improving. Success is just right around the corner."

The guys who don't succeed have the habit of telling themselves, "This is bullshit! I been doing this forever, and I still can't get laid by a hot chick!"

I am actually more of the second guy than the first guy. But at least I recognize it now, and actively try to appreciate my effort.

[Guyintheback]

Hey freiheitlich,

are you German? I get the feeling you have a hard time saying what you want to say in English.
So if you want to really explain to these guys what is going on, feel free to make a post in German, or write me a PM, and I will translate it for the others.

[Mark]

There are a number of native German speakers on this board. You should try writing a post in German.

[freiheitlich]

(07-08-2012 05:30 PM)Jack Sparrow Wrote:  Hey, I know your frustration. But is the frustration from not getting results? Or from not improving?

If your baseline lifestyle/personality is at a pretty low level, it's gonna take a LONG time to get result.

But anyone can improve. If you just tell yourself today - I am gonna make 5 approaches, and I am gonna focus on projecting a warm smile, and hold eye contact. If you manage to do that, that's an accomplishment, and you should feel good about yourself.

I find guys who succeed at learning pick-up are very good at giving themselves a pat in the back. Saying to themselves, "Hey, I am doing alright. I am improving. Success is just right around the corner."

The guys who don't succeed have the habit of telling themselves, "This is bullshit! I been doing this forever, and I still can't get laid by a hot chick!"

I am actually more of the second guy than the first guy. But at least I recognize it now, and actively try to appreciate my effort.

I think the massive rejections have create a bad perception of women in my mind. Therefor I do not have such desire and attraction to women and to approach. I do not have AA, in my earlier time I did had AA but approached more than now. It is normal, if you have bad experiance with some sort of people, than you have lower motivation to interact with them.

The cure is to get a attractive girlsfriend and experiance a lot of positive interactions with her, to correct this bad perception of women.

[Trickster]

(07-09-2012 05:14 PM)freiheitlich Wrote:  The cure is to get a attractive girlsfriend and experiance a lot of positive interactions with her, to correct this bad perception of women.

Women are rejecting you for a reason. Saying that the "cure" is to "get an attractive girlfriend" is like saying that the cure for obesity is to have a 30 inch waist as opposed to dieting and working out. Having an "attractive girlfriend" is an outgrowth of having great self-perception, perception of women, and lifestyle, not the other way around.

The fact that you seem to only want an "attractive girlfriend" for the sake of having an attractive girlfriend - not to make a connection with someone special, which is what girlfriends are actually for - should be indicative why you're not getting the results you want.

But hey, keep on doing what you're doing and keep on insisting otherwise. It seems as though these boards are just littered with people who want to complain and feel helpless rather than listen to hard, but well-intentioned advice.

[riva]

ACTA beschäftigt sich mit Verbreitung und Vervielfältigungsrechten und somit Publishern bzw. deren Konkurrenten. Künstler und Programmierer sind direkt betroffen - und profitieren direkt - , wenn sie ihre Werke auch selbst verbreiten. Oder sie profitieren indirekt, wenn sie angemessene Verträge mit ihrern Publishern aushandeln.
Nicht profitieren tun nur die, die unfähig sind, weder mit den neuen Medien selbst umzugehen, noch in den alten Strukturen zu bestehen. Aber das ist in einer Marktwirtschaft nunmal so: Leute, die mit dem System nicht umgehen können, sind die Verlierer (egal, wie gut sie z.B. als Künstler sind) - das hat mir ACTA nichts zu tun und die erfolgreichsten Gegenbeispiele, die wir haben, sind staatliche Kunstförderung und die GEZ.

[SeXyBaCk]

These spambots are pretty funny, it just goes and finds some random german text to copy and paste in.