Experts: What kind of women are the toughest to "game" or get in the world?

[Andy]

gabe Wrote:Any observations to offer on German girls?

I visited Berlin last year, and went to a few clubs/bars there; overall found German women easy to approach and talk to (there were a few that were there by themselves at the bar), but difficult to pull back to my hotel. But I enjoyed my stay in Germany, would definitely like to go back as it's a short trip for me (I live in Prague).

Oh yeah the only thing I should add is that the language barrier made things difficult with girls who didn't speak English, as I don't speak German myself

[Mark]

My experience with German girls has been similar: easier to approach and hook, harder to pull back home and hook up with.

[orango]

What about Swedish and French chicks?

[Mark]

Swedes are shy, reserved and very fashionable. Girls are hot. Tall and blonde. Unfortunately, the guys are too. But I've actually heard that Scandinavian girls get pretty hot for Indian/Asian/Black guys. So it may actually be easier for you than it would be for me. Can't verify though. Just heard that from a number of guys.

In France, I hope you can speak a little French. You'll need it. People over there aren't too hot on Americans coming over and not even making an attempt at their language. Never had much luck with French girls. But I only went out two nights in Paris.

[orango]

Mark Wrote:Swedes are shy, reserved and very fashionable. Girls are hot. Tall and blonde. Unfortunately, the guys are too. But I've actually heard that Scandinavian girls get pretty hot for Indian/Asian/Black guys. So it may actually be easier for you than it would be for me. Can't verify though. Just heard that from a number of guys.

In France, I hope you can speak a little French. You'll need it. People over there aren't too hot on Americans coming over and not even making an attempt at their language. Never had much luck with French girls. But I only went out two nights in Paris.

Well I can understand Asian and Black but we did cover things in a class of mines about how muslims are raping a lot of girls in Sweden. Eitherways, NICE!

How many brunettes did you see in Sweden? I heard it on No Reservations travel show that not all women are tall and blonde.

[sledgehammer]

orango Wrote:Well I can understand Asian and Black but we did cover things in a class of mines about how muslims are raping a lot of girls in Sweden. Eitherways, NICE!

How many brunettes did you see in Sweden? I heard it on No Reservations travel show that not all women are tall and blonde.

I live in sweden. Theres TONS of brunette girls ofcourse, the stereotypical "all girls in sweden are blonde" aint true, lots of hot brunettes too.

Guys are generally weak, they are often kinda good looking but usually they have a very weak behaviour due to the feminism. Many girls prefer immigrants due to their often dominant culture.

And yes, muslims rape alot of girls in sweden and norway lol. We are the "rape captial of europe" due to the muslims.

[orango]

sledgehammer Wrote:I live in sweden. Theres TONS of brunette girls ofcourse, the stereotypical "all girls in sweden are blonde" aint true, lots of hot brunettes too.

Guys are generally weak, they are often kinda good looking but usually they have a very weak behaviour due to the feminism. Many girls prefer immigrants due to their often dominant culture.

And yes, muslims rape alot of girls in sweden and norway lol. We are the "rape captial of europe" due to the muslims.

I heard it is because of STRICT laws, you can stare at a girl's ass and get sent to jail for it but from what I see on google images, scandinavian prisons are pretty nice!

[Right]

sledgehammer Wrote:I live in sweden. Theres TONS of brunette girls ofcourse, the stereotypical "all girls in sweden are blonde" aint true, lots of hot brunettes too.

Guys are generally weak, they are often kinda good looking but usually they have a very weak behaviour due to the feminism. Many girls prefer immigrants due to their often dominant culture.

And yes, muslims rape alot of girls in sweden and norway lol. We are the "rape of europe" due to the muslims.

Sweden also has redheads, gingers, girls with black hair, etc. It's too individualistic to simplify and that goes for their mannerisms too; a girl from the country-side might be innocent and shy but only before she assimilates to the citys' culture. This especially goes for the "big" segregated citys like Stockholm & Gothenburg where 2 neighbouring provinces can be completely different from each other. You can't even categorize them in term of stereotypes, that only gets you interests & taste in arts. Some are arrogant, shallow, egocentric, dominant & some are not; the last one also goes for the guys.

There's nothing that is generally salient in Sweden. Everything that generally works in western cultures generally works here.

As for the rape thing; the laws have become stricter so there are more reported rapes because more things counts. Rape also dominantly correlates with low socioeconomic status which most muslims have.

The above post just paints an useless picture of Sweden.

[orango]

Quite honestly, I think Scandinavian Blondes are FAR MORE attractive than their American counterparts.

[Mark]

orango Wrote:Quite honestly, I think Scandinavian Blondes are FAR MORE attractive than their American counterparts.

Please tell me you've actually been to Scandinavia when making a broad generalization like this.

[orango]

Mark Wrote:Please tell me you've actually been to Scandinavia when making a broad generalization like this.

I have met some girls who were Scandinavian and I have seen pictures, they look more natural and the features are a lot better.

Quiet honestly, it also has to do with the fact that out of all the women I know, I have had the worst experiences with American blondes.

[Right]

orango Wrote:I have met some girls who were Scandinavian and I have seen pictures, they look more natural and the features are a lot better.

Quiet honestly, it also has to do with the fact that out of all the women I know, I have had the worst experiences with American blondes.

Why would the popular pictures depict ugly girls from its country? It's another stereotype and the only reason it's still alive is because of the same reason that all the other stereotypes are; humour, not enough experiences with the "type" and confirmation bias. You tell a swede that his country has the most amazing women and he'll either scoff or agree because he feels proud to be associated with something likable; and damn we haven't even gotten into the word "attractive". If it's looks then it's just your taste. If it's traits then I've already said what I wanted in my previous post. You've really just had limited experiences.

I grew up and have lived in Sweden for the majority of my life & I've met people from the different suburbs in the "big" citys and I have connected with people from the bottom south provinces to the bottom north. This place is too individualistic to simplify so if you'd like to create "model for sweden" you'd have to take into which part of Sweden you're in, which city and which district. Save yourself the hassle & just go about it like any other western place.

[Mark]

One of the reasons I don't post on Roosh's travel forum anymore is because it's become a mess of racial/ethnic stereotypes and generalizations about places, often by people who haven't been there.

Right is err... right. Every country has an endless variety of women. Often the differences between women in a country such as say, Argentina and women in Portugal are subtle and nuanced. You can't really say "X country has hotter girls than Y" that often. Every country has hot women and ugly women. The hottest women in the US stack up pretty well with the hottest women in other parts of the world. It's more a question of style or even preference. Russian women often have high cheeks bones, which I love, but some men think it makes them look arrogant. Most Chinese women have really round faces, which a good friend of mine loves but I don't like at all.

[orango]

Okay folks lets not get into political correctness too much here. Sure we don't have to be all Roosh here but I have met a girl who lived in Scandinavia and was a brunette although she traveled a lot too, hard to tell if she was a citizen there. Even though each country may have their own diversity, a general majority does look a certain way, sure parts may differ but Blonde hair is much more common in Scandinavian countries than anywhere else. Each country is known for its unique characteristics, I mean they have TONS of Blondes in Italy and Spain but brunettes still dominate the scene overall.

And as for going about it like any other western place, well I am sure each country has its own sense of style and other etiquette they prefer to see in people.

Realistically I am just daydreaming right now. I have had a pretty good experience overall with European blondes, especially the few from Scandinavia. Do I expect them all to be princesses with angel behavior? No but I can pretty much say that they will probably be better in my experience than your typical dyed California blonde which I have had the worst experiences with.

[Mark]

I'm just saying that the tendency to draw general conclusions based on experience with only a few people of a certain population is a poor habit to get into. It can lead one into thinking unhelpful things... like Indian men can never be desirable.

I guess the point that I'm making is that as someone who has gone to many of these countries and spent time in them and hit on their women, I've realized that most stereotypes about places don't have much bearing on reality, and that the differences between cultures are usually more subtle and you don't appreciate them until you actually go see them for yourself.

Sorry I've been hard on you since you got here, generalizing people just happens to be a really big pet-peeve of mine. Most of us do it from time-to-time, but I've found it can really get us into trouble in a myriad of ways. And I don't mean political correctness trouble, but like forming unhelpful or untrue beliefs about people type of trouble.

[Arikado]

Call me biased, but I'm gonna argue that Middle Eastern women are probably the toughest to game in the world. The idea of Western-style courtship is basically alien to the culture. Add to that a healthy dose of sexual repression, misogyny, a collectivist, family-oriented culture, and you've got a tall order.

However, I imagine that in Lebanon (Beirut), you'd probably have a decent shot if you're an American. Sexual mores are less strict compared to other places, but still draconian by our standards.

[orango]

Well I mean Middle Eastern and women from strict cultures aside, talking about the free world without restrictions I would say there isn't a tougher place than Switzerland right?

I mean nearly EVERY guy there is loaded with cash, women have a lot of options.

But anyways as for Mark. Well generalizations are not always true but I am just saying in this case it is different. You can't really prove all Indian men suck with women other than word of mouth as I have realized and I don't even know how you can most do (not you as in you but you as in you in general). But I am sure with enough studies done or just viewing, most women in Sweden are probably Blonde.

[Mark]

That makes no sense. Not everyone in Switzerland is rich, and even if they were most rich guys have awful game. I've been with a Swiss girl. There's basically no language barrier, few major cultural differences, and the country is by and large pretty liberal.

The hardest country of the one's I've been to is Ukraine. Massive language barrier. Very social-circle oriented culture. Very conservative. Not interested in foreigners at all.

[Brian]

Mark Wrote:That makes no sense. Not everyone in Switzerland is rich, and even if they were most rich guys have awful game. I've been with a Swiss girl. There's basically no language barrier, few major cultural differences, and the country is by and large pretty liberal.

The hardest country of the one's I've been to is Ukraine. Massive language barrier. Very social-circle oriented culture. Very conservative. Not interested in foreigners at all.

In general, i think it's safe to say that there are two elements that makes it hard to get laid:

1. Lack of chicks. Sorry, but you need abundance to get laid, it's a numbers game lol.

2. Conservative. Face it, hippies loves sex. liberal = more sex therefore conservative = suck.

[Andy]

Mark, when you say "social circle oriented".. are you referring to the degree of which a woman is willing to hook up with a guy who is not part of their social circle?

[Mark]

More that they're not open to even meeting guys outside of their social circles. Some countries, such as Argentina or Spain, people go out and large groups and it's even seen as kind of rude to approach a woman who's not in your group. Doesn't mean that cold approach never works, just means you get a lot of harsh blow outs. In Argentina, I'd get blown out 10-12 times in a row some nights. That never happens to me in the US.

[orango]

Hay Mark I hate to bring race up but are Argentine and Spanish women really pro-White? I hear that they are in love with things like blue eyes and pale skin. Personally, I found Argentine women more beautiful than Brazilian women themselves but hearing how it is pro-European and they boast about it in a way seems discouraging. Although in So Cal we have Latinos, most are Mexicans.

[Mark]

Women in Buenos Aires itself are underwhelmed by white people. In fact, many of them peg you as a sex tourist, so in many situations it's a disadvantage to be a white man down there. Once you get outside of BsAs though, it can be an advantage in some places.

Spain, they don't really give a shit. Or at least from what I could tell they didn't. And most of them are pretty white themselves. I'm not blond-haired or blue-eyed, so I can't comment if that makes a difference. If it does, my guess is it's minimal.

[orango]

Mark Wrote:Women in Buenos Aires itself are underwhelmed by white people. In fact, many of them peg you as a sex tourist, so in many situations it's a disadvantage to be a white man down there. Once you get outside of BsAs though, it can be an advantage in some places.

Spain, they don't really give a shit. Or at least from what I could tell they didn't. And most of them are pretty white themselves. I'm not blond-haired or blue-eyed, so I can't comment if that makes a difference. If it does, my guess is it's minimal.

So if its a disadvantage to be a White man, what is it an advantage to be then?

As for Spain, pretty white themselves? Don't you have a lot of people who are White but "darker"? I mean personally I drool over women with that kind of a look. Not to go too much into porn but Ava Addams (French pornstar) would have me going wild.

[Mark]

Just a lot of brunettes in Spain. With nice tans. Still white people.

As for Argentina, I don't think anything gives you an advantage. There are many places where no race has an advantage, but many have disadvantages.