Daygame a Big Lie

[Mark]

Some people would rather be right than improve.

[Good Looking Loser]

(03-08-2012 06:29 AM)Warped Mindless Wrote:  The journalist actually fucked 7 out of the 100 I believe. Another guy who calls himself "GoodLookingLoser" did the same thing and got right around the same number I believe.

That'ssss me
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2011/12/...our-favor/

I did these approaches at day and night.

Mark, you, everyone are right here.

I don't think the original poster was being an asshole though, it's frustration from a lack of results, understandable.

the title of this thread is "Daygame is a Big Lie"
mentioned also is "it doesn't work"

my question is- what do you mean "work?"

like... talking to chicks when the sun is out/not in a club can't result in any sort of sexual scenario? or the phone numbers don't translate into dates/sex? or you don't get laid that day/later that day?

if the 3rd one is what your talking about- it's all logistics. you shouldn't be approaching further than 5-10 minutes from your place if you're trying to get laid (unless you have the balls to pull girls into bathrooms). otherwise, get in and out and take numbers. Guys go to mall 45 minutes from home and literally haven't thought about how they are getting the chick home. They go on "instant dates," and simply because that what the PU industry tells them to do. So they sit there "being witty" when they should have gotten out of there, or tried to take the girl somewhere private.

you probably mean the 2nd one though- there's so many factors involved that you would have to Mark and the guys know. Your clothes, your height, the material you are using, how much you are/aren't touching the chick, the physical condition you are in, etc. all matters. if you're just taking numbers (that okay) IMO its better to really direct with the chick and get her IN or OUT ASAP, then go hit on the next chick. Otherwise you'll find yourself with lukewarm girls or girls that expect dinners and movies and you'll be waiting 4-6week to get that pussy.

my honest questions for you are-
What your gameplan? Are you doing #'s to date to bedroom? (im assuming that what it is)
where along the way are you losing chicks?
tell us how your interactions go, as well as fashion/style
guys around here are pretty smart and they can prob. figure out whats going on

"day game" simply means hitting on chicks during the day
or talking to chicks
of course it 'works'
its not some sort of secret invisible political movement...

my 2cents

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(03-05-2012 09:16 PM)Mark Wrote:  @Christian: No, Janka lays 11% of all of his approaches, not his numbers. Pretty much everyone tops out at laying about 10% of their approaches over the long-run. Trust me, a lot of us have talked about it and compared notes.

yeah that's a significant fact you pointed out.
I had 16% (7chicks of 47phone #s)
that's high for me and high for 'average guy' game

usually getting really aggressive (big time kino, even during the day) with girls change the 11-16% to around above 20-25%,, but obviously more girls with get lost

[Swimmer]

(03-09-2012 12:20 PM)Christian Wrote:  http://kurios.at/storys/144/wollen-sie-m...-schlafen/

Sadly, there's no English translation around. It will probably not be that useful to you if you can't read German.

He's more or less living proof for me that you can nearly triple your success in the daytime, depending on your approach. Haha, from 4% to 11%!
I don't think a lot of guys want to hear this but it's enlightening to me.

Were there any interested parts in this article? Something that really striked you?

"Wollen Sie mit mir schlafen?“ - "Do yuo want to sleep with me"... that is the only part i undersatnd.

It would be nice if we had a translation.

[Bloodbunny]

OK, maybe it's just that in my country, women are more open to this, or something like that, but...
I'm a totally average looking (not ripped, 5"10, quite childish face, a bit of belly..) 21 year old guy living in a minor city. I've done maybe 50-60 daytime approaches so far (my city isn't big enough to approach girls constantly).
I had at least one date with 4 of them (and one of them is a playmate, so it's not that I'm going for average girls), with one even having a boyfriend at the time.
Now, I didn't lay any of them, but this was due to my mistakes (and in the mentioned case, the boyfriend), but I think that's not relevant, because the question is, is daygame a viable way to get dates with women, and with it, a chance to lay them? Yes, it certainly is.

[Alvar]

(03-13-2012 11:48 AM)Swimmer Wrote:  It would be nice if we had a translation.

Here you are: http://goo.gl/K5hjY
Funny result but you do get the gist of it.

[Chaos]

Isn't it just amazing that you can get an understandable translation in just a couple of seconds from almost any language to almost any other language?

I think people just don't value this "little things" when they say "this is not the future I was promised" ... for instance I'm completely amazed every time I go to the mall and the doors open all by themselves!!! Kind of like in Star Trek!!

[DaVinci]

(03-05-2012 09:16 PM)Mark Wrote:  I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Lmao i cant believe no one else found this hilarious

(03-06-2012 08:00 AM)freiheitlich Wrote:  First: It is not hate or love, it is scale on the one side is hate, on the other side is love.
Second: If you like a girl very much, you dated her, and the she flakes, this is a very negative experiance, you can spin and self hypnosis how much you want, the information will be deep stored in the mind, and it will influence the future behaivor .

Ok seriously man, STFU and listen to the expert, he is here on the forums willing to help you, take a look at the advice he gave you


"The guy who hates women for rejecting him repeatedly, keeps getting rejected."


In that one statement he literally solves your problem

think about this, you came on the forums and complained about daygame not working, get it you complained!!!


look at your title seriously,

if your complaining about something, then you are offering resistance and negativity towards it,

this case its daygame,

but wait not really, its the results you get on daygame,

ok but not even really that,

the results are based on the actions of the girls,

if girls dont give numbers and reject you then you get zero results

and the girls actions are congruent with how you see them as a person in general (Actions speak louder then words and whatnot)


so you are offering negativity and resistance towards the girls, and each failed approach makes it worse, and this shows up in every thought, and action you have


Here's what you did:
You took your negativity and resistance, started applying it to girls, then to their actions, then your results, then decided that you would blame it all on daygame




Here is the reality:

Your negativity and resistance is actually truly directed towards yourself, because you feel rejected and not wanted by those girls, which hurts, you resent them for that and that's where your hatred of them comes from,

also an unwillingness to take 100% responsibility for everything that happens in your life is pretty much what makes up for you blaming everyone but yourself

this then shows up all over you all the time especially in your interaction, girls can sense that shit so fast, they just get those feelings (and this is proven scientifically)


so instead of hating on daygame, take a deep look at the cause of your feelings (which you will find to be negative feelings towards yourself) and take the damn advice of the experts that offer it


ps. like Mark also said, instead of complaining you should come on, be completely honest and describe your approaches, their reactions, how conversations went, were you smiling, did you feel good going in, your mindset, etc. so that it can be figured out whats going wrong so you can fix it and progress

[freiheitlich]

Today I approached 2 girls on the street. All leave after the opener. God bless daygame.

[Jack Sparrow]

I think it's pointless to try to help someone on an internet forum unless they specifically ask for advice. Usually the OP wants to make a point, and he will do whatever it takes to stand his ground.

If you have done 500 approaches, and in majority of them you give it an honest try to talk to the girl and get phone numbers, and you still aren't getting results, then day game probably is not for you. Either you find other means of meeting girls or you meet someone in real life that can critique you and give you an honest evaluation/feedback.

Sometimes knowing when to quit is just as important as knowing when to persist. Maybe your talent lies somewhere else, and you just need to discover it.

[playmaker001]

I told him to focus on demographics but he won't listen. *sigh* oh well

[Good Looking Loser]

i think we tend to over complicate things "Day Game" "Night Game" "Sets" "AMOGs" "Transitioning" "I'm quitting PU"

this is all just "talking to humans (girls)"

sure the techniques can vary
but whether the sun is out in the sky (day game) or whether the moon is out (night day).. its still talking humans

[freiheitlich]

What iam wondering. All this Gurus say, you have do tons of approaches to getting good. This theory is not true. I appraoch almost 2 years constatly without results. I think that gurus are stupid and they do not know how to getting good.

[Warped Mindless]

(04-29-2012 09:54 AM)freiheitlich Wrote:  What iam wondering. All this Gurus say, you have do tons of approaches to getting good. This theory is not true. I appraoch almost 2 years constatly without results. I think that gurus are stupid and they do not know how to getting good.

So because you suck at daygame.... their stupid?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that faulty logic such as this could play a part in you not having success.

[crazyhorse]

(04-29-2012 09:54 AM)freiheitlich Wrote:  What iam wondering. All this Gurus say, you have do tons of approaches to getting good. This theory is not true. I appraoch almost 2 years constatly without results. I think that gurus are stupid and they do not know how to getting good.

Do you actually enjoy hitting the streets to go after girls? I mean roaming down the street is so boring to me.

Also do you actually have a lot of social activities going on? I mean how on earth can you invest 2 years going after girls and still not get anywhere? If I were you I would focus on meeting girls in social situations and get pick up out of your head for a while. I think you're lacking fundamentals (sociability, friendliness etc.) What I mean is, is that your starting position is different, so you should approach it differently. My guess is that you're not having a very busy social life or don't particurarily enjoy your life in general.

This is a blog that I like, maybe you can get some inspiration from it.
http://anti-pua-johnny.blogspot.com/2012...s-guy.html

A last pointer. If you feel that you don't like daygame then don't do it. Not everybody succeeds in the same ways. There is no pressure on you to perform during the day. I really like what Jack Sparrow wrote "Sometimes knowing when to quit is just as important as knowing when to persist. Maybe your talent lies somewhere else, and you just need to discover it". Changing your "strategy" isn't weakness, in fact it shows strength, most guys just persist endlessly and keep making the same errors over and over. Don't be that guy!

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(04-28-2012 11:06 PM)Jack Sparrow Wrote:  Sometimes knowing when to quit is just as important as knowing when to persist. Maybe your talent lies somewhere else, and you just need to discover it.

I like this quote!

[baller08]

God bless you guys, but you're wasting your time with someone like Freiheitlich. He's one of those guys who are very angry and resents women. Most nice guys are angry to some degree but for some it is so high it bleeds out of their pores. The moment he opens his mouth the girl will feel a very uncomfortable and awkward vibe.

The answer for this type of guy isn't Day or Night Game or a particular approach method, it's two things: Acceptance and Stop Being Lazy.

Acceptance: They have to accept that they have a lot to improve on in their life in GENERAL. Most angry guys don't have a lot going on in their life. They're not interesting. Being bad with women is but a mere symptom, not the problem.

Stop Being Lazy: They look for the easier answers. Example: "Day Game doesn't work, so maybe I'll try Night Game". They're always looking for that easy opener/routine or that magic pill. Till they are willing to work on their lifestyle, nothing else they do will make a difference.

Some guys have a lot going on in their life but they just are really bad with women. In that case the high volume of approach to get over AA is appropriate because if they can get past that, women will actually like them once they talk to them.

But not the super angry guys. Even if they can get a date, they will rarely get a second.....hence Freiheitlich getting 5 dates and no further than that.

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On an unrelated note - I have to say that not once in my life have I ever measured my successes by percentages. I have also never separated meeting women between day or night time. I'm grateful that when I started my journey to improve, the PUA movement wasn't known because everytime I read that it makes me cringe.

Women who are beautiful are beautiful anywhere. Does it matter if it's day or night? Do your attraction triggers get flipped only at night or during the day? Attraction is attraction. If Joe is attractive during the day, he will be attractive at night. He can't turn it on and off. You guys have to get that...especially you guys who are struggling.

Attraction is attraction. Period.

I don't even know what to say about all these percentages measuring. It's so fucking retarded. If a woman is fat and I tell her that to get more choices in men she has to lose weight, what if she said, "Well, 10% of men look at me and out of that 2% want me"? How stupid would that be?

I would tell her, "Look, just go workout and eat more healthy, then once you look good you won't care about percentages, most men in GENERAL will be attracted to you and you'll have your choices".

Please do yourselves a favor and stop all this percentage nonsense.

[Mark]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[Drewid]

(05-01-2012 09:07 PM)Mark Wrote:  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

I know you're not big on NLP, but Bandler had a great line for that:
If what you're doing isn't working, try something else. Try anything else.

[Mark]

I like NLP.... just not for seduction.

[Bulgakov]

nobody responded to my social life post in the other section but anyway...

today i got out of my room and studied in a pretty cool cafe like i said i would do. it's very comfy and designed with that 'come here and study while enjoying coffee and toasties' feel.

there were a lot of cute girls there.

in certain places it will be much easier to strike up a smooth conversation. places where you can assume to have mutual interests, similar tastes, personalities that are compatible. a big city street is the most difficult place to strike up a natural conversation because there's nothing you share in common prior to the approach - it's as cold as an approach gets. i've dated two girls from daygame - one when i was in a library studying and the other was eating a meal at the same restaurant as me. my conversation felt really natural on both occasions.

i think one of the keys to success is to actually enjoy talking to people and to build a life in which you're surrounded by people. during the day i too get many boyfriend objections, even with girls that genuinely like me, but i don't get worked up about it because i enjoy saying a quick hello to girls that i find attractive.

[Christian]

Interesting, I always thought of NLP as not very effective. Some people also experience a certain discomfort when they believe you to be able to manipulate them with certain techniques (like framing, trance words). I also don't like the lack of scientific proof for these techniques.

I fully endorse hypnosis though, just not for seduction.