Daygame a Big Lie

[playmaker001]

Also the guy who started this thread is the same guy who started the thread "Do you like women". It's tough to get laid with the attitude he has about women.

[Mark]

Notice a pattern here:

- The Indian guy who thinks all white women are stuck up bitches can't get a date with a white girl.
- The guy who hates women for rejecting him repeatedly, keeps getting rejected.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

@Christian: No, Janka lays 11% of all of his approaches, not his numbers. Pretty much everyone tops out at laying about 10% of their approaches over the long-run. Trust me, a lot of us have talked about it and compared notes.

[SeXyBaCk]

As always...way too much analysing about this for my taste.

I'm no reference, cause Ive never actively gone out wanting to meet as many women as possible. But my common sense tells me less is more. Women are perceptive. If you're walking around trying to strike up conversations and trying to come of with phoney questions getting someone to start talking to you... I'd say most women, specially intelligent ones will pick up on it..and put you in the creep bracket. I'd rather be very open about it then...if i'm just approaching one woman i feel is very attractive. As in "yes I'm hitting on you".

in general women don't like guys who hit on anything and everything. it's a big turn off. I'm not into women who flirt with every guy either. Doing so in a club you come across as desperate..drunk or a horndog, during the day .. might just be downright weird or scary/freaky. If you just come across as a cool relaxed guy making small talk and being outgoing... it's all good and i think it's much easier to have an intelligent interesting conversation with someone on public transport in a café, at a park etc than in a crowded loud bar/pub/club.

But doing what the indian bloke was doing striking up convos..gives you a rep.

[Alvar]

Christian Wrote:An Austrian journalist made the experiment of asking women during the day directly for sex and wrote about it in a later article.

If I recall correctly he got 4 lays for 100 approaches. He's also looking pretty average, but he's well-dressed and seems socially calibrated.

Wait, did he go around opening women with "hey, would you like to have sex?" I'm on the next plane to Vienna

IIRC it took Sinn over 300 "do you wanna fuck?" opener-approaches to get one lay. He also got drinks on his face, slaps and insults...

[Lyze]

Alvar Wrote:Wait, did he go around opening women with "hey, would you like to have sex?" I'm on the next plane to Vienna

IIRC it took Sinn over 300 "do you wanna fuck?" opener-approaches to get one lay. He also got drinks on his face, slaps and insults...

He said: "Hi, I'm sorry that I approached you, but I think that you are beautiful and incredibly erotic. Would you like to have sex with me?"

The city's were Munich, Berlin and Hamburg.

[freiheitlich]

(03-05-2012 09:16 PM)Mark Wrote:  Notice a pattern here:

- The Indian guy who thinks all white women are stuck up bitches can't get a date with a white girl.
- The guy who hates women for rejecting him repeatedly, keeps getting rejected.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

@Christian: No, Janka lays 11% of all of his approaches, not his numbers. Pretty much everyone tops out at laying about 10% of their approaches over the long-run. Trust me, a lot of us have talked about it and compared notes.

First: It is not hate or love, it is scale on the one side is hate, on the other side is love.
Second: If you like a girl very much, you dated her, and the she flakes, this is a very negative experiance, you can spin and self hypnosis how much you want, the information will be deep stored in the mind, and it will influence the future behaivor .

[Harry Potter]

I've talked to a few daygamers who're not selling anything and I trust fairly well and they usually report 10-20% of numbers ending up in dates but anything from 60-90% of dates ending up in sex.

Aaron Sleazy thinks this is rather inefficient compared to night club game but if you see a hot girl during your day, there's no harm in approaching.

freitheitlich, 400 approaches in 1.5 years isn't very much, and if it's distributed across that whole time, I'd say that wasn't enough to get you into the approach-mentality consistently.

[Alvar]

(03-06-2012 12:09 AM)Lyze Wrote:  He said: "Hi, I'm sorry that I approached you, but I think that you are beautiful and incredibly erotic. Would you like to have sex with me?"

The city's were Munich, Berlin and Hamburg.

Thanks, that sounds outrageous. If the article is online can you post the link? I don't read german but would like to send it to a couple of friends.

Quote:freitheitlich, 400 approaches in 1.5 years isn't very much, and if it's distributed across that whole time, I'd say that wasn't enough to get you into the approach-mentality consistently.

I somehow doubt approaching is the problem, there's probably some disconnect in the OP's life. It's up to him to work on that.

[freiheitlich]

I will replace some daygame time for night game and group sports. Maybe there it is better.

[SeXyBaCk]

I think i might have seen this, he said something to the extent of "I think you're hot, want to hook up?" coupled with a devious smile. This'll work much better with grown women (25-32) as opposed to early twenties or past 35.

[Mark]

Some guy on ThePlace did this experiment years ago. He asked 100 girls in a mall if they'd have sex with him. A number of them did.

And yes, freiheitlich's problem is not approaching. My guess is that he's very uncalibrated and is not connecting well with them at all. Notice how across months of threads like this, he's never once related what he was saying, how he was communicating with her, what her reactions were like, what the vibe of the interaction was like, how he thought the girls felt... all we get is "they rejected me" and how much he doesn't like it.

[Harry Potter]

I wasn't clear but what I meant was that he didn't really approach enough consistently to get a sense of where he's going wrong with everything.

[seele]

For me day game is extremely hard, it is not impossible though: I managed to sleep (and even have a few months long relationship) with a girl I met at the mall. I had some dates with some other girls that I met on the street/mall, so this part is much easier.

[Warped Mindless]

The journalist actually fucked 7 out of the 100 I believe. Another guy who calls himself "GoodLookingLoser" did the same thing and got right around the same number I believe.

As for daygame being a "lie" thats pretty silly. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean its a lie.

Mark said something about 10% of approaches turning into lays. For daygame I agree that 10% is pretty good and about the best anyone can hope for. For night game you can get better than 1:10 fuck to approach ratio.

I know a few guys here in Cincinnati that do a ton of day game. One in particular is pretty good and I believe he has said is approach to fuck percent is right around 8%. Hes a bit short but other than that is pretty average looking. This year alone I think he has fucked around 15 women (most of them from daygame), most of them average looking as well. Some very hot and by his own admission two were less than "braggable."

In my own experience, I usually fuck 1 chick out of every 11 - 13 I approach in the day time. I prefer night game because I have more fun and my numbers are better but no sense in not approaching hotties you see while out doing errands and stuff.

[freiheitlich]

(03-07-2012 07:31 PM)seele Wrote:  For me day game is extremely hard, it is not impossible though: I managed to sleep (and even have a few months long relationship) with a girl I met at the mall. I had some dates with some other girls that I met on the street/mall, so this part is much easier.

And how many did you approach until you layed one? Let me guess 500.

[Alvar]

(03-08-2012 10:25 AM)freiheitlich Wrote:  And how many did you approach until you layed one? Let me guess 500.

Every time you post I am reminded of this quote from Models:
"It’s the techniques that don’t work. Give me the techniques that work."

[seele]

(03-08-2012 10:25 AM)freiheitlich Wrote:  And how many did you approach until you layed one? Let me guess 500.

I don't know, I don't make statistics. It might as well be 500, butI believe that if these 500 approaches don't cost you much, then it's worth trying. If you approach on the way to work or while doing groceries, or sitting in a coffee shop and studying, then it's worth to achieve success even with one girl out of 500. If your life is around approaching and you need 500 (like mine looked before), then it's totally not worth. It would totally be more efficient to focus on building social circles to meet girls or earning money and buying prostitutes.

[freiheitlich]

I will also focus more on warm approaches and clubgame, I do not believe this daygame rhetorics. It sounds for all marketing stuff, to buy there products.

[Warped Mindless]

With the exception of Mark, everyone in this thread that has told you that seducing women during the day is possible has no product to sell you.

Just own up and accept the fact that you suck with women. The first step to getting better to to accept it.

[Mark]

I don't even have a day game product, lol.

But whatever... I guess assuming 1,000's of men are liars is easier to accept for his ego than he's bad at something.

[Swimmer]

(03-05-2012 07:31 PM)Christian Wrote:  An Austrian journalist made the experiment of asking women during the day directly for sex and wrote about it in a later article.

If I recall correctly he got 4 lays for 100 approaches. He's also looking pretty average, but he's well-dressed and seems socially calibrated.
You can probably up this quite a bit if you're not THAT direct in stating your interest.

I had to complete a similar task in a program designed to reduce AA and his data seems plausible, got 1 lay from 30 approaches and I was a total beginner when I did this.
What I have to admit is that approaching walking people on the street never produced any results for me.

Gosh, this PU-language sounds weird!

@Mark: Do you really get a 10% quota on daytime approaches? How come that Janka only gets about 10% on numbers? What do you do differently in comparison to him?

Can you post a link for this aricle?

[Christian]

http://kurios.at/storys/144/wollen-sie-m...-schlafen/

Sadly, there's no English translation around. It will probably not be that useful to you if you can't read German.

He's more or less living proof for me that you can nearly triple your success in the daytime, depending on your approach. Haha, from 4% to 11%!
I don't think a lot of guys want to hear this but it's enlightening to me.

[freiheitlich]

(03-09-2012 12:20 PM)Christian Wrote:  http://kurios.at/storys/144/wollen-sie-m...-schlafen/

Sadly, there's no English translation around. It will probably not be that useful to you if you can't read German.

He's more or less living proof for me that you can nearly triple your success in the daytime, depending on your approach. Haha, from 4% to 11%!
I don't think a lot of guys want to hear this but it's enlightening to me.

believe me, the good parts are faked. Every one in Europa know this guy, he is a liar and betrayer.

[SeXyBaCk]

Read some of the austrian guy's description... sounds a lot like 'shits n giggles'. Just wanted to point, in case he hasn't noticed, he got lucky more often in bars in the evening than during the day, by the look fo it.

[Chaos]

(03-09-2012 12:26 PM)freiheitlich Wrote:  believe me, the good parts are faked. Every one in Europa know this guy, he is a liar and betrayer.

Why should anyone believe you when your dismissing everything everyone is saying in this post. You keep dismissing everything that contradicts the theory you've made in your mind and trying to rinforce it anyway you can.

I'm done with this thread so I won't be posting anymore, I hope everyone will do the same since there's no point on talking to someone who is not willing to listen.