Creating Attraction? 10% success-rate?

[Moody]

Hi guys,

at first I have to say sorry for my bad English, but here we go: I am 23, Ex-PickUp guy from Germany and reader of Mark's PostMasculine website. I also read his book "Models" and it was very refreshing to see there are people outside who are also ill of the whole PU roleplay.

I also had the honour to meet Zan Perrion and Hans Comijn from Ars Amorata which gave me a new sight of things and a more natural way of approach the whole subject of seduction and focus to what you want in life and renounce what you don't love.

But I have/had some questions they couldn't answer or had very vague concepts of. But I'm a guy who tries to figure out things in a scientifical way.

So I had much interesting encounters and experiences in the last 3 years. After all I wants to figure out which statements are right. I also checked out Paul Janka's stuff, Rob Judge and Zack Bauer, researchs about attraction, talked much with Zan and Hans, read Aaron Sleazys "Minimal Game" and so on and tried to compare their insights with my own experiences.

But after all, there are two questions I can not answer right now and maybe you and Mark can give me some new perspectives and answers. Here we go:

1.) Can we create attraction through action?

Sleazy says, attraction is about your appearance, most of all looks (height, body, facial features, style) and if she doesn't like your looks, there's no attraction at all. Tension can only boost attraction but never create it. Which role plays emotional connection? A point Sleazy isn't consider. What do you think?

2.) You can only get 10% of the girls you approach.

I don't know if Mark says something like this, too, (I think he wrote it in his book, but maybe I'm wrong; can't read it yet) but I know guys who are good with women and they say, you can only get 3 - 7% (max. 10%) of 100. That means, you approach 100 and only 3 - 10 will sleep with you. They say it's a statistical absolute term you will always have if the number and perspective is wide enough. Paul Janka, Sleazy and a guy named "good looking loser" says this absolute term exists. And after much approaches, I would agree slightly. What do you think?

Would be nice to get an answer from you guys, especially Mark.

Have a nice day and hope we'll have some nice discussions.

Greetz


Moody

[Jack Sparrow]

Never heard of this Aaron Sleazy guy, but anyone who does not think you can pick-up/meet girl through cold approach doesn't know what he's talking about and has no game, and I would not read anymore of his stuff.

I have very rudimentary game, and average looks, and I can meet and have sex with girls from cold approach. I've met a very short guy with voice like a girl who consistently pick-up girl using Mystery Method. He was dedicated, and he operates with a very clear mind.

10% maybe true, but it's not that important of a number. As long has you are meeting attractive girls at a consistent basis that's all that matter. If you don't have approach anxiety, you can easily approach 20 girls in 2 hours. At 10%, that's hooking up with 2 girls. Imagine just spending 2 hours a week approaching and sleeping with 2 girls a week. That's 100 girls a week, 1000 girls in 10 years!!!

[playmaker001]

1) Yes

I don't know about others on here, but I've definitely pulled girls that weren't attracted to me at all before but I "grew on them". How did I do it? You can never be 100% sure, but I am pretty confident that it was because through self-improvement I started ACTING high status. That is an action in itself and women are attracted to social status. Another thing you can do is let the girl see that you're liked by other women. I don't know why, but I've had girls do a full 180 after they saw other women were interested in me.

2) Yeah, I guess

In my experience this seems to be the case when cold approaching during the day. In night game, warm approaches, approaching in places where you're particularly high status, social circle, your percentages go way up.

Just continue to work on yourself, assume attraction, let her know she's desired, get physical, be genuinely interested in getting to know the real her, etc. Everything else is just an distraction.

[Thor]

What do you mean by assume attraction ?

(04-15-2012 07:14 PM)playmaker001 Wrote:  1) Yes

I don't know about others on here, but I've definitely pulled girls that weren't attracted to me at all before but I "grew on them". How did I do it? You can never be 100% sure, but I am pretty confident that it was because through self-improvement I started ACTING high status. That is an action in itself and women are attracted to social status. Another thing you can do is let the girl see that you're liked by other women. I don't know why, but I've had girls do a full 180 after they saw other women were interested in me.

2) Yeah, I guess

In my experience this seems to be the case when cold approaching during the day. In night game, warm approaches, approaching in places where you're particularly high status, social circle, your percentages go way up.

Just continue to work on yourself, assume attraction, let her know she's desired, get physical, be genuinely interested in getting to know the real her, etc. Everything else is just an distraction.

[playmaker001]

@Oldguy: By "assume attraction" I mean that it is more high status to believe a girl is into you from the beginning, then to assume that she's not attracted to you. The former will give you confidence on each approach, the latter is a limiting belief.

[Mark]

1) Yes. Looks are a barrier-to-entry. Unless you are incredibly good-looking, looks by themselves will do very little. Action is necessary to create sexual tension and escalate. A good way to think about it is that being good-looking won't get you girls, but being bad-looking will absolutely prevent you from getting girls.

2) I guess? Who cares? I don't know. I don't really think about this stuff. In my mind, if I approach a beautiful girl, have fun with her -- even if it's laughing with her for 30 seconds -- before she rejects me, I don't really see that as a failure. As long as I'm enjoying myself and enjoying my time with the girls I'm meeting, whether it's for 10 seconds or 10 years, I see everything as a success.

[Halo Effect]

Quote:As long as I'm enjoying myself and enjoying my time with the girls I'm meeting, whether it's for 10 seconds or 10 years, I see everything as a success.

That is one mighty awesome belief.

[crazyhorse]

There is a lot of common sense in this thread.

I skimmed through sleazy's post again. Appearently somebody mentioned this thread on his blog and now they are making fun of Mark.

Just read what Alek Novy writes and look how childish it is (see comment below, starting from don't_be_so_negative's comment).

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2012/04/...mment-form

on the sleazy forum the guy admits that he pays for sex, haha. Dude get real.....

it's actually funny because I kinda agreed with his post, but the way these guys debate.... They are picking straw men just as well, since Mark never claimed that cold approach is the only good option to get women.

[Mark]

Yawn...

I never said pick up has to be hard. I just said I don't mind if it's hard sometimes. I'd rather approach based on my desires not wait around for signals a girl gives me. There are a lot of women out there who would be interested in you who don't notice you or are distracted or shy or whatever.

Sleazy says a lot of things that need to be said, but I find his content to be overly negative and narrow-minded. I'm so bored and tired with the "PUA's are wrong!" thing. I'd rather just worry about enjoying my life. There's a reason this isn't a "pick up" site anymore.

[Warped Mindless]

1) Yes.

2) I don't agree with the 10% thing completely. For day game maybe but for night game absolutely not. On average I fuck more than 10% of the women I approach in a night time type venue. I know plenty of others who are the same. The key is good selection. Learn to spot the women who are into you and the women who came out looking for sex.

[Moody]

Ok, thanks for your answers guys. Are there any scientifical researchs about that it's just more as looks and attraction can build/compensate through action and confidence? In my experience, I would agree, but like to read some book with scientifical backround about it to get a clear picture about the subject.